By Patrick
Here are my thoughts on the Australia (& Wales!) player ratings from the test in Cardiff on Saturday. Probably not what you saw since I am being purely subjective but love to know where we differ!
Rating scale at bottom.
15 Drew Mitchell – Everything was OK, except for the kicking. At least there was less of it than from AAC. Struggled to get into the line but maybe the centres’ fault. At least one great tackle and I don’t blame him for the late penalty at all. A bit more of a fullback this week. 6
14 Peter Hynes – Ineffective. A very powerful finisher and has shown himself competent under the high ball but offers less (imho) than Mitchell, Ioane, Tuquiri and AAC so is going to struggle to get regular selections. I reckon Cross would make a better winger (that way lack of passing would be less of a disadvantage). 4
13 Ryan Cross – Like Hynes just seemed flatfooted and took the wrong options (ie didn’t pass!). Is good enough defensively and turns it over or helps to a lot but was exposed by the particular demands of 13, especially against these outer backs. Would Andy Powell have sidestepped Mortlock once, let alone twice? 4
12 Stirling Mortlock (C) – Wish he had been able to continue. Showed his worth by how much we missed him! no rating.
11 Digby Ioane – Yet again looked the better of the back 3 and probably did everything he could. Maybe some room to inject himself more in close a la Tuquri, but there’s time to develop that. 7
10 Matt Giteau – Drop goal was a pearler and really a great player. Some awesome tackles including one complete wrap-up of 130kg Alun Rhys-Jones and another on the rampaging Powell. But one or two off notes in field kicking and maybe needed to chip a bit more since the centres weren’t distributing the ball. 8
9 Luke Burgess – Fast becoming usual mixed bag. Needs to take stock of everything but surely will. Got a bit lost when they succeeded in slowing down the ball and couldn’t provide the variations needed (although maybe Gits needed to bite the bullet and call for it). 6.5
8 Richard Brown – Not Palu. I see him as Smith’s long-term replacement. But worked hard and did most things pretty well. 5.5
7 Phil Waugh – Not George Smith. At least he wasn’t usually asked to stand at the back of the line-out where he is hopeless. 6.5
6 Hugh McMeniman – Nothing wrong that I saw and contributed to a generally strong scrum and line-out but like most of his teammates lacked that extra metre of drive on the gain-line that might have been the difference. Never will be the Rocky power and passion show. 5.5
5 Nathan Sharpe – Has seized the day and tour like one would not believe, especially not I who was suggesting he be sacked for over a year. 8.5
G&GRs Wallaby man of the match
4 Mark Chisholm – Beautiful run for the line and pretty good day in tight and set-pieces. Adds depth to the line-out and could conceivably displace Sharpe to partner Horwill in the near future. 7.5
3 Al Baxter -Another seizer of days with respect to whom I ought to be magnamious. As best as I could tell his side of the scrum was the slightly weaker but not by much and he even got in a couple of carries (IIRC). 7.5
2 Stephen Moore – line-out superior, scrum superior, tackled and rucked himself to death, not at all to blame for being pinned over the ball. 8.5
1 Benn Robinson – Awesome pick-n-drive which we should see more of. However he looked notably more effective pick-n-driving than on the short charge so maybe needs to improve his hit-up technique. Looked the stronger side of the scrum and all-round good game. 8
Bench:
Lote Tuqiri – Good hit-out but a bit rusty and never really involved enough albeit maybe his centres’ fault. (5)
Dean Mumm – Very strong and useful but maybe slightly less so than Chisolm. 6.5
Quade Cooper – simply too inexperienced and got a bit lost. Also I would rather see him further out. 4.5 but it isn’t a reflection on his potential.
George Smith – The man. I wish he had started. (8)
Adam Freier – I still wish TPN could throw. Can’t believe he was on for 25 minutes all up, didn’t see that much of him. Scrum looked weaker with him on. (5)
15 Lee Byrne – Awesome display. The kind of player I would love Quade Cooper (or Drew Mitchell) to develop into and probably the best in the world. Whilst caught out for Chisolm’s Sunday stroll gets the excuse of obeying orders. Extra credit for the excellent kicking and catching – pity AAC wasn’t there to see just what non-aimless garryowens are. 10
14 Mark Jones – It is easy to commentate a Welsh game: Jones, to Williams, supported by Jones, … but we heard this Jones a little less than the others on the night. Not in the same class as the other two outer backs. 5.5
13 Tom Shanklin – Probably played as well as he could. Certainly a lot better than last time these two teams met when Mortlock hammered him into the turf. Then again Mortlock didn’t get the opportunity this time. 6.5
12 Jamie Roberts – Got early points draw in clash with Mortlock (his headbut-sweetspot on Mortlock’s cheek, come-on!!) but comprehensive loss on subsequent revelation that he had fractured his skull. Full points for his contribution whilst still on though including a nice feed to Bryne. 6.5
11 Shane Williams – See Lee Byrne but with less kicking and catching, hence not MoM. 9.5
10 Steven Jones – Not imho the complete article. The days when Wilkinson and Jenkins used to single-handedly keep NH teams competitive with their imperious kicking are long gone. Did any NH kicker get to 70%?? But distributed the ball with sufficient alacrity to get good marks, and probably kicked slightly better in play than Gits on the day. 8
9 Gareth Cooper – Played a great game and probably got on top of Burgess. All over the field and organized his forwards really well. 8
8 Andy Powell – Fantastic display. What a find for Wales, this guy was awesome. Even though he loses a full mark for the penalties I am confident he will work them out of his game. 8.5-9
7 Martyn Williams – Not Smith. Battled well with Waugh and played great in the loose but let his team down twice in a row with poor handling that a No 7 shouldn’t have. 6.5
6 Ryan Jones – The best Jones on the day in the field in defence support and attack. 8
5 Alun Rhys-Jones – Not that impressive to my mind. Charged around the field well and quite possibly I got mixed up with the other Joneses from time to time. Should take a big chunk of the blame for the line-out. 6
4 Ian Gough – Gets the rest of the blame and I thought he was fairly anonymous. Wales’ second biggest weakness may be the second row. 6
3 Adam Jones – Another one! I thought that the Welsh scrummed quite well on the whole but maybe he was outmuscled more often by Robinson than vice-versa. Gets credit for work in tight and for seeming to get around the field a lot because his name is Jones. 6.5
2 Matthew Rees – Outshone by Moore. As we have learnt you can’t pick hookers on the strength of their general play. Suffered in the line-outs but not certain he was the chief culprit. 6.5
1 Gethin Jenkins – Probably the better prop on the day out of the Welsh, and seemed to me (but the camera never seemed to show that side) beat Baxter more often than vice-versa. 7.5
Bench:
Andrew Bishop – Solid game but centres are Wales’ biggest weakness I think and against eg Barnes and Mortlock they would struggle to use their awesome outer backs. Rating reflects the fact that he got lucky. (6.5)
Dafyyd Jones – Loses points for being called Jones and loses even more for not being called Powell. Probably the man of the moment since more penalties at that stage would have been disastrous but not the man of the future. (7)
Rating system:
10 – A legendary performance to go down in the history books
9 – Man of the match worthy performance
8 – Outstanding
7 – Good game, great in parts
6 – Solid performance
5 – Average – ho hum
4 – Below par
3 – Had a bad game
2 – Tell your story walking pal
1 – A complete joke.
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Good review there Patrick,
I reckon Lote deserves more though, he made 2 crucial turnovers and kept us in it..
Great work Patrick,
Nice elaborate reasoning.
Although I’m a little concerned with you thinking Brown is Smith’s long term replacement…
Browns is just not exciting like Smith.
I think Deans has learned who deserved their spot in the tour. I’m hoping next season he gets his selections better.
A better selector coach wouldn’t have freier coming on and ruining our scrum, or a small playmaker with one cap playing out of position after the 2nd minute.
I think TPN just needs another super 14 under his belt to work out how to throw, even though he shouldn’t even have to do the throwing.
You give a lot more .5 than matt and you’re a bit more forgiving, but your marking curve is the same.
I probably was a little harsh on Lote. I just remember him hitting it up once or twice and not getting anywhere, and remember thinking we needed him when we were getting bogged down in tight.
In retrospect it might have been better to put him on for Mortlock but I guess Cooper was preferred to Hynes as an inside back (fair enough if the prick won’t pass!!).
Mortlock getting knocked out-literally-changed the game to the detriment of the Wallabies. They really missed their leader.
Powell, the Welsh 8 man, and Lee Byrne were my co-men of the match for the Welsh-awesome game by both of them.
Chosholm, the Aussie second row showed really great pace on taking advantage of the botched welsh throw to score a really nice, opportunistic try for the Wallabies.
Shane Williams showed great hand to eye coordination by somehow being able to control a low pass enough to gain control so he could score the try.
This was just a great game to watch. I envy you for being able to soak up the ambiance in Cardiff and just see a gem of a match, Matt.
I meant to add – I did rate more generously than Matt but I did think it was a fairly cracking match and was won more by getting things right than by making mistakes.
I have a theory that Deans is willing to make a few bad selections to really look at people. Hopefully he starts iterating the process towards a final 15 asap, but one can appreciate his difficulty with eg fullback, inside centre, outside centre – he needs depth.
Indeed, we were missing Palu, Vickerman, Elsom and Mortlock, had a terrible run with the ref and lost by 3. Could be worse!
With hindsight, I’d like to have seen Lote go on for Mortlock at 13 and stick Cross into 12. Lote’s played there several times and does a pretty decent job at outside.
Good one Patrick.
Christ, who woulda thought Sharpe would be heading for MoM at least twice, almost three times on this tour?
Lee Byrne is looking the best 15 in the world and Powell runs like a world class winger.
I’d give the beer at the ground 8/10 (no half marks!)
Brown for long term replacement for Smith?
I think everyone’s earmarked Pocock for that.
Lote deserves at least a 7. He played well. Benn Robinson deserves a 9 in my opinion. His leg drive is exceptional with the ball in hand. He always makes the advantage line.
Couple of thoughts on the welsh rankings for you.
First, just to be pedantic at lock its Alun-wyn Jones… not alan rhys-jones.
agree with a lot of what you say there. would like it remembered when we are talking lack of depth at centre that we were missing our first choice 12 anyway (though we are aware everybody but us wants to forget the much maligned gavin henson).
Next our lineout was always going to be an issue this game (as i said before) as we have our best front jumper leaping in the middle where he is average and an average front jumper at the front. Mostly though we again blame rees at hooker. he cant hit a barn door, even with the massive ian evans on the park and AWJ at front jumper we were constantly losing lineouts
Felt Wyn-jones was worth more, his support work as a lock always amazes me (unfortunately my lock play is more like a waddle)
Powell seems to have won plaudits all over the world but in wales he has divided opinion more. His carrying work is something else, runs like a centre only with more power! But his lack of rucking and his tendancy to give away penalties is worrying some (myself included) and we expect to see him on the bench in teh 6 nations when jonathon Thomas (also our best lineout forward and usually lineout captain) comes back from injury
other than that, good calls i think. will be doing one myself this weekn when i get around to reviewing the game on tape… see what i missed in a drunken haze!
I reckon you should just work on Powell, frankly he made more breaks than both your centres combined and if you really want to compete in 2011 you need a runner like that. Maybe he could play 6?
Sorry about Alun-Wyn Jones, I admitted that I might have got some Joneses mixed up so maybe he and Ryan should have had each others marks!!
Next Welsh game I think I’ll have a drink every time the commentator says Jones. And I’ll watch out for Jonathon Thomas.
Moses I agree about Lote, that’s what I said at 3 but not so clearly.
Joey Johns, I kind of agree about Pocock but wonder how far away he really is from Wallaby level. Let’s not forget that no-one had to peg George Smith as the next George Smith since he was there at 19!
As for Benn Robinson 9 is MoM – do you really think so? I remember him being less effectual a couple of times on the short charge as opposed to the pick and drive, although he did have at least one 15 yard trundle through the pack. And I didn’t think our scrum was solid enough to give a front-rower 9, although his 8 reflects that little enough of the blame attaches to him.
I am certainly looking forward to him being the best prop in 2011 :)
@ patrick… no worries, you’ve done wales far better than i could have done an oz one!
powell is worth working on no doubt about it. the issue is he is 27 and has had the same problem with every club he has been at, incusding leicester. hopefully dai young and gatland can do something though as he has power and speed to burn. Jon thomas and ryan jones is more balanced though
i would be careful about that jones drinking game! unfortunately duncan joes was injured or there might have been another off the bench!