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He could be for NSW what Ben Lucas is for QLD, a halfback who can play other backline positions allowing the 5-2 split as LG already mentioned..
Waratahs 2011
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Eyes and Ears
Bob Davidson (42)
Forum members are often critical of the lacking of coaching or skill improvement at the elite level of our game. When should the player take responsibility for this? Could it be that Josh Holmes is uncoachable ie he is not prepared to listen? Is that why he gets 1 term contracts and has to move teams?
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Bob Davidson (42)
A different coach - Hickey had worked with him at Eastwood. Plus I think S14 teams will generally go for a player that has experience (eg Holmes, Stannard) over the player that doesn't (ie McKibbin, Sievert) -even more so if the experienced player is still young like Holmes.
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Does anyone else think Tom Carter doesn't deserve to be playing Super 15? He has been playing shocking for Uni and i personally hate him.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
I'm sure that those GAGRs who saw the match against Eastwood will agree that he was totally out of his depth, did absolutely nothing in attack and was just road kill in defence. He was an absolute embarrassment to his parents, his wife, his local newsagent and his kindergarten teacher.
There's a slight amount of overkill there, rugbyfan. After telling us that "He has been playing shocking for Uni", it was hardly necessary to add "i personally hate him."
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
He did look pretty flat. Saying that, I think Tom Carter's style of play has a place in Rugby at the Super level. He needs to work on his offloading ability and his pace off the mark, but Australian Rugby is lacking the backline player who has bulk and will just truck the ball up from the 12 channel. Less Bieber duddering and more straight, hard running.
Carter isn't up to it at the moment, thats pretty clear. But he has time to change his game and fitness and this is the perfect opportunity, and the Tah's seem to be willing to back him.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I'll admit to not being the biggest Carter fan. Serious question for Tahs supporters: what in your opinion does he offer at S15 level? With Horne in the backline (when fit), you've already got the hard straight running and solid defence. What would Carter add to that?
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Peter Sullivan (51)
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Mark Ella (57)
As most would realise I am far from a fan of Carter, but I would rather him than Cross. Carter is a solid defender and whilst he had a bad day against Eastwood is usually reliable. He gives no option but the crash ball in attack but an astute coach can work this into a team effectively. DO we have one of those at the Tahs?
The Tahs game plan all bar a couple of games was a lot like the Wallabies attack, flat straight line, no depth, no bodies in motion, one out runners straight into the defenders.
Personal hate is a bit much, little bit OTT.
The Tahs game plan all bar a couple of games was a lot like the Wallabies attack, flat straight line, no depth, no bodies in motion, one out runners straight into the defenders.
Personal hate is a bit much, little bit OTT.
Langthorne
Phil Hardcastle (33)
I haven't seen him playing for Uni, so can't comment on that.
The issue is that for all the criticism of Tom Carter, he did a pretty good job for the Tahs at 12. For much of the season he played at 13, which didn't suit him. On balance, I am happy to see him in the squad as he offers things no other back do - size, strength and solidity at 12. He could work on his passing and pace off the mark, but so could many others. I'd prefer that he turn up to every match looking to bash into the opposition. His passing is fine, his defence is very good, OK, his pace off the mark isn't all that flash.
The issue is that for all the criticism of Tom Carter, he did a pretty good job for the Tahs at 12. For much of the season he played at 13, which didn't suit him. On balance, I am happy to see him in the squad as he offers things no other back do - size, strength and solidity at 12. He could work on his passing and pace off the mark, but so could many others. I'd prefer that he turn up to every match looking to bash into the opposition. His passing is fine, his defence is very good, OK, his pace off the mark isn't all that flash.
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I thought i'd vent my frustration on Tom Carter.
It goes back to when Carter had a gigantic gap created by Barnes, all he had to do was use his vision to run the unders line and it was a try under the posts (Schoolboy Level), yet he had tunnel vision and completely screwed an opportunity to score - Barnes then went over to Carter and told him which line to run with a frustrated hand signal.
Since then, Carter is nothing.
It goes back to when Carter had a gigantic gap created by Barnes, all he had to do was use his vision to run the unders line and it was a try under the posts (Schoolboy Level), yet he had tunnel vision and completely screwed an opportunity to score - Barnes then went over to Carter and told him which line to run with a frustrated hand signal.
Since then, Carter is nothing.
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Tom Lawton (22)
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
"Does anyone else think Tom Carter doesn't deserve to be playing Super 15? He has been playing shocking for Uni and i personally hate him."
One really stupid comment is all it takes to start them off. Outraged by the idiocy of that statement I made a ludicrously sarcastic comment about his game against Eastwood and then we get these responses:
"He did look pretty flat. ... Carter isn't up to it at the moment."
"With Horne in the backline (when fit), you've already got the hard straight running and solid defence. What would Carter add to that?"
"whilst he had a bad day against Eastwood is usually reliable."
Actually Tom Carter's dominant display against Eastwood had a great deal to do with their capitulation in the last twenty minutes of the game. The amount of work he got through in bending their defensive line, his powerful, aggressive defence and his kick chases put sustained pressure on the Eastwood midfield, resulting in them having no gas in the tank when it really counted. Far from "playing shocking" he had an outstanding game.
With regard to Rob Horne, he has been very obviously out of form since the latter part of the Super 14 season, having very limited involvement each time he played. My suspicions were and are that he must have been running onto the field carrying injuries; yet he is still the subject of unqualified adulation.
We now get the acknowledged Carter hater coming back on to explain his outburst:
"I thought i'd vent my frustration on Tom Carter.
"It goes back to when Carter had a gigantic gap created by Barnes, all he had to do was use his vision to run the unders line and it was a try under the posts (Schoolboy Level), yet he had tunnel vision and completely screwed an opportunity to score - Barnes then went over to Carter and told him which line to run with a frustrated hand signal.
"Since then, Carter is nothing."
This provoked a supporting response:
"I vividly remember that. It was a terrible skill failure for that position and I shared your frustration when he didn't hit the unders line. He appeared to be out of his depth."
So that's what it comes down to. A single misunderstanding between two players is enough for one of them to be written off.
One really stupid comment is all it takes to start them off. Outraged by the idiocy of that statement I made a ludicrously sarcastic comment about his game against Eastwood and then we get these responses:
"He did look pretty flat. ... Carter isn't up to it at the moment."
"With Horne in the backline (when fit), you've already got the hard straight running and solid defence. What would Carter add to that?"
"whilst he had a bad day against Eastwood is usually reliable."
Actually Tom Carter's dominant display against Eastwood had a great deal to do with their capitulation in the last twenty minutes of the game. The amount of work he got through in bending their defensive line, his powerful, aggressive defence and his kick chases put sustained pressure on the Eastwood midfield, resulting in them having no gas in the tank when it really counted. Far from "playing shocking" he had an outstanding game.
With regard to Rob Horne, he has been very obviously out of form since the latter part of the Super 14 season, having very limited involvement each time he played. My suspicions were and are that he must have been running onto the field carrying injuries; yet he is still the subject of unqualified adulation.
We now get the acknowledged Carter hater coming back on to explain his outburst:
"I thought i'd vent my frustration on Tom Carter.
"It goes back to when Carter had a gigantic gap created by Barnes, all he had to do was use his vision to run the unders line and it was a try under the posts (Schoolboy Level), yet he had tunnel vision and completely screwed an opportunity to score - Barnes then went over to Carter and told him which line to run with a frustrated hand signal.
"Since then, Carter is nothing."
This provoked a supporting response:
"I vividly remember that. It was a terrible skill failure for that position and I shared your frustration when he didn't hit the unders line. He appeared to be out of his depth."
So that's what it comes down to. A single misunderstanding between two players is enough for one of them to be written off.
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
Well, it could go that way (and most likely will). The ball is in his court (I think you'd argue it has been for 5 or so years).
It's up to Tommy to step up now.
Noddy/Reg(?) described Carter bloody well a while ago. So I will paraphrase
Carter is the type of player that every team needs, the less talented "worker", who got their by pure attitude. He is a competitor who chases every kick; gets up and does that second and/or third tackle in a row; will tuck the ball under his arm and do his best in attack no matter who is in front of him; and is up and enthusiastic at every training session and game.
Carter is the type of player that every team needs, the less talented "worker", who got their by pure attitude. He is a competitor who chases every kick; gets up and does that second and/or third tackle in a row; will tuck the ball under his arm and do his best in attack no matter who is in front of him; and is up and enthusiastic at every training session and game.
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Exactly. And every coach who puts him on the team sheet does so knowing exactly what they will get, every time. And that's a big compliment, given what we've seen from some supposedly more talented players.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
To add to FP's paraphrasing of Noddy, Carter gets a bench spot for mine in the Tahs next year simply because you can throw him on if you get an injury and he will hold the ship. Don't expect anything special in the way of game breaking pace or handling or Rugby nous. He is that grafter.
In saying that if he starts the team has to play a game plan that allows for his limitations, ie. cut out balls and when he trucks it up the pigs have to be close behind to produce very quick ruck ball. Maybe this year he could Channel some of 'Psycho' Grey if they play him at 12, but he will have to learn to offload or pop the ball off the ground to the support runners which have to be there.
In saying that if he starts the team has to play a game plan that allows for his limitations, ie. cut out balls and when he trucks it up the pigs have to be close behind to produce very quick ruck ball. Maybe this year he could Channel some of 'Psycho' Grey if they play him at 12, but he will have to learn to offload or pop the ball off the ground to the support runners which have to be there.
You guys are very harsh on the bloke. I think Noddy hit the nail on the head with his description, via fatprop, of Carter. He does a great job for the Tah's in getting them on the front foot. He knows what his job is in the team and goes out each week and does it. I think the situation mentioned with Barnes was when he we out of position at 13. I would be happy with him in my team as you can't just have superstars in your backline.
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