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Jason Little (69)
How annoying was it that a large part of the game was broadcast from a long distance. Impossible to pick out and identify individuals involved in the play at times.
Wallabies v Springboks, Sat 10th August 2.30pm AEST @ Suncorp,
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Where's the beef
Chris McKivat (8)
I agree with this. Its A development time.
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Jim Clark (26)
hey guys where the only side to w
the eternal development time
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Alfred Walker (16)
Calling out my comprehension of English when you're a grown man that talks like this is an interesting move.
Your team in Melbourne is dead. Get over it.
Make a meaningful contribution to the discussion or go follow AFL.
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Jason Little (69)
We don't want wholesale changes. Most of the players out there today were the best available.
The set piece was smashed and the lineout was short of a third target as mentioned by others above, but all in all the defence by the Wallabies pack stood up for most of the game. It is just not possible to critique the backline attack because they had precious little ball. But it is fair to say that there were some defensive lapses in both backs and forwards and that there were far too many penalties given away through poor thoughtless play.
To me, Hunter Paisami is the worst for conceding senseless penalties and often in situations where the Wallabies have territory and possession. It's a pity we have so few options at 12 for the Wallabies. Stewart is not the answer imo as he is almost like for like with Hunter.
I am patiently waiting for the penny to drop among many posters here who think the sun shines out of Andrew Kellaway's dark places. He is simply a liability in defence. Mostly out of position in defence as he was in at least one Bokke try movement, or misses or falls off tackles.
For Perth, I would like to see the front row bolstered, hopefully by a fit Angus Bell and a returning Taniela Tupou if family commitments allow. I would stick with Kailea as I think he has a lot of development in him. I reckon there has to be a better No 5 around the franchises than LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) who is more a hybrid 5/6 better suited off the bench. Perhaps Smith from the Reds as I don't think Blyth or Williams really offer more than LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto). Not sure on 7, but Tizzano is a bit light to take on most test quality forward packs but give him his due he made a couple of steals during this game but it's not enough. Did Harry Wilson do enough to be retained in the starting lineup? Not sure. He is always very busy but his lack of go forward in contact marks against him. Maybe LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) at 6, Hooper at 7 and Valetini at 8?
I really would like to see someone else at 12. The outside backs in any game involving Hunter rarely see the ball. But who is available? Is foketi fit and in the squad? Maybe Flook to see if he can light up our attack?
The set piece was smashed and the lineout was short of a third target as mentioned by others above, but all in all the defence by the Wallabies pack stood up for most of the game. It is just not possible to critique the backline attack because they had precious little ball. But it is fair to say that there were some defensive lapses in both backs and forwards and that there were far too many penalties given away through poor thoughtless play.
To me, Hunter Paisami is the worst for conceding senseless penalties and often in situations where the Wallabies have territory and possession. It's a pity we have so few options at 12 for the Wallabies. Stewart is not the answer imo as he is almost like for like with Hunter.
I am patiently waiting for the penny to drop among many posters here who think the sun shines out of Andrew Kellaway's dark places. He is simply a liability in defence. Mostly out of position in defence as he was in at least one Bokke try movement, or misses or falls off tackles.
For Perth, I would like to see the front row bolstered, hopefully by a fit Angus Bell and a returning Taniela Tupou if family commitments allow. I would stick with Kailea as I think he has a lot of development in him. I reckon there has to be a better No 5 around the franchises than LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) who is more a hybrid 5/6 better suited off the bench. Perhaps Smith from the Reds as I don't think Blyth or Williams really offer more than LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto). Not sure on 7, but Tizzano is a bit light to take on most test quality forward packs but give him his due he made a couple of steals during this game but it's not enough. Did Harry Wilson do enough to be retained in the starting lineup? Not sure. He is always very busy but his lack of go forward in contact marks against him. Maybe LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) at 6, Hooper at 7 and Valetini at 8?
I really would like to see someone else at 12. The outside backs in any game involving Hunter rarely see the ball. But who is available? Is foketi fit and in the squad? Maybe Flook to see if he can light up our attack?
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Ron Walden (29)
What about Stewart to 12 and Ikitau to take on the crash ball role
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Jason Little (69)
No, the crash ball role must be at 12 or not at all. The 13 should be working in a bit of space and setting up the flyers on the wing, a role Ikitau does extremely well when the ball gets out that wide.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
Wilson actually had the match-high 7 lineout receptions this match. Mostly at the front. Good to see development there. There would be recent seasons where he didn't take 7 lineout a all year.
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Trevor Allan (34)
About as embarrassing a performance as.the australian breakdancing woman in the Olympics. Like a bunch of virgin's who saw a Speedo catalogue and lost their composure. Outplayed, outcoached and outcheered at what is supposed to be Australia's rugby fortress. The Wallabies are the worst Australian sporting team by a clear margin.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Amongst many issues I just dont think we are big and fast enough. We need bigger players with pace. Wilson doesn’t bend the line cause as big as he is his pace / acceleration isn’t great. Our locks lack the size and grunt of sa, France and even English locks.
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Problem at the player level in my mind
Don’t have the right second or front row today. Don’t have the right 10 or 12 and our 14,11 and 15 are ok.
Kellaway is brilliant in attack and scramble defense but more typical defense and he’s not great.
Wright is a 7/10 even on a good day at fullback in my opinion.
This is mostly a people
Problem at the player level in my mind
Don’t have the right second or front row today. Don’t have the right 10 or 12 and our 14,11 and 15 are ok.
Kellaway is brilliant in attack and scramble defense but more typical defense and he’s not great.
Wright is a 7/10 even on a good day at fullback in my opinion.
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John Thornett (49)
Your wallabies team is dead get over it champ
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Larry Dwyer (12)
Straws ? … clutching ?
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Why are you here @Members Section?
LevitatingSocks
Alfred Walker (16)
At least you admit you're no longer interested in Australian rugby doing well.
Do something productive with your life. I recommend volunteering at a local junior club.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
A question and a series of random observations.
Was South Africa’s try to Kolisi legal? I don’t see how you can lift a player specifically to pass him the ball. Further to that what is the actual merit in it? Yes - I know they scored but why throw him in the air. Ok - no one can touch him in the air but you also can’t start your drive until he hits the ground. A feel like it just buys the defence a bit of time. To be clear not suggesting for a minute it made a difference to the result. Just seems unusual.
With regards to lineouts a couple of comments on here around lack of third jumper. I thought most of the missed were just inaccurate throws. Our jumpers were mostly finding space (apart from once I think). It just looked like the throw missed.
As disappointing as that game was I obviously had lower expectations to others. Before the game I hoped for a win, but admit I feared it would be worse. The thing that most disappointed me is that we shot ourselves in the foot so many times. The lineouts were a big part but also a bunch of penalties we just didn’t need to give away. We actually defended really well for periods but just kept giving penalties away. And the kicking!!! I actually think Schmidt’s tactics may have been okay - but handing back possession on lineouts, needless penalties and poor kicks against one of the best teams I’ve seen in my lifetime - just makes it too hard. Some were forced by pressure, but plenty weren’t.
I don’t expect any miracle calls or silver bullets - there aren’t any. A few different players might had made it closer but we don’t have the team to beat SA at the moment, except if the moons align. But there were a bunch of fixable issues today so, hopefully, the coaching group can get some traction this week. But turning the ship will take time and take perseverance.
Was South Africa’s try to Kolisi legal? I don’t see how you can lift a player specifically to pass him the ball. Further to that what is the actual merit in it? Yes - I know they scored but why throw him in the air. Ok - no one can touch him in the air but you also can’t start your drive until he hits the ground. A feel like it just buys the defence a bit of time. To be clear not suggesting for a minute it made a difference to the result. Just seems unusual.
With regards to lineouts a couple of comments on here around lack of third jumper. I thought most of the missed were just inaccurate throws. Our jumpers were mostly finding space (apart from once I think). It just looked like the throw missed.
As disappointing as that game was I obviously had lower expectations to others. Before the game I hoped for a win, but admit I feared it would be worse. The thing that most disappointed me is that we shot ourselves in the foot so many times. The lineouts were a big part but also a bunch of penalties we just didn’t need to give away. We actually defended really well for periods but just kept giving penalties away. And the kicking!!! I actually think Schmidt’s tactics may have been okay - but handing back possession on lineouts, needless penalties and poor kicks against one of the best teams I’ve seen in my lifetime - just makes it too hard. Some were forced by pressure, but plenty weren’t.
I don’t expect any miracle calls or silver bullets - there aren’t any. A few different players might had made it closer but we don’t have the team to beat SA at the moment, except if the moons align. But there were a bunch of fixable issues today so, hopefully, the coaching group can get some traction this week. But turning the ship will take time and take perseverance.
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