Wallabies V Ireland, Brisbane

[#1 Tah]

Australia are in good company with wingers. Ioane, Mitchell, Ashley-Cooper, Hynes, Turner, Cummins are all up to the job. Too bad Deans selects 3 inside backs on the bench.

 

[fatprop]

Beale has played wing before. He played wing for the dirt trackers last EOYT. Went OK there too which surprised me as he doesn't look like a natural winger.

But agree the bench isn't balanced. It would be more balanced with Hynes or Turner. But don't expect Mitchell or AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to be subbed unless injured, so I am not to worried. Deans hardly uses his bench anyway.

Regarding versatility, I actually think that Ioane's and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s best positions are on the wing. We have a set of decent wingers, but we are hardly alone in that regard and wingers won't win you too many games if you aren't handy elsewhere.

Horne's current problem is getting more involved. Might come with more experience and more confidence at this level.

Not sold on Horne as a 12 unless I see him there a times first. What has made him stand out is his straight robust running with a good turn of speed, not his setting up his outside man. I am not a fan of selecting players in positions they don't play in senior rugby unless there is an injury crisis.

Gits and Digby do seem to be preferred runners, but Horne has been up against Tindall for two weeks, that unit is very effective and would not have been the considered the defensive weakness of the England backline

 

[matty_k]

One of my junior kids got his nose spread from arsehole to breakfast at training last night, and the look of horror on the faces of the mums watching convinced me that there will soon be a sharp increase in junior golf!

My girlfriend is a radiographer and she is coming down hard on that her kids aren't playing either form of rugby. I'm using the tactic of I'll support them in whatever sport they choose and if she wants to tell them no then that is her job and she has to explain why.

 

[Sully]

Leaving home now for the Trip up to Brisbane. A few jobs for "She who must be obeyed" and a visit with my oldest daughter and then to the RUGBY.

I have just realized that my emerald green training jersey is not really appropriate for a Ireland match! Oh what can I possible do about it?

 

[Groucho]

Beale isn't a decent winger. There is no evidence behind that claim. He could well be, but there is just no evidence.

These backs we have are too versatile if you know what I mean. I'm worried that none of them are going to excel in any one position.

I've seen Beale play on the wing for Australian schoolboys, the Waratahs and the Wallabies, and play well. Do games for those teams count as "evidence", or do they have to be played for the Reds?

 

[DPK]

I've seen Beale play on the wing for Australian schoolboys, the Waratahs and the Wallabies, and play well. Do games for those teams count as "evidence", or do they have to be played for the Reds?

Just how many minutes has Beale played on the wing at the Test level? Is it in double-digits?

 

[Groucho]

Just how many minutes has Beale played on the wing at the Test level? Is it in double-digits?

Lets be real here. We're not talking about Beale's credentials to start on the wing for the Wallabies. We're asking whether he is capable of playing there as an injury replacement.

Beale has played well as a winger for the Waratahs and Australia. Surely that is sufficient for him to be the bench wing sub?

If every bench man has to have played a full game for the Wallabies in every position he may have to sub then we will have to go out and buy some longer benches.

 

[DPK]

If every bench man has to have played a full game for the Wallabies in every position he may have to sub then we will have to go out and buy some longer benches.

Im sure we have a Test winger somewhere... oh that's right, he's playing outside centre for Eastwood today.

 

[David]

ok, I am going to put it out there, everytime I have watched Horne play I have been very underwhelmed at both his attack and defence. Everytime I have watched him play I have seen him miss tackles, perhaps I have just caught his bad games who knows but for the Wallabies we need a proper, inside/outside centre who runs hard and tackles just as hard. Two small centres just doesn't work.

 

[Reddy!]

I've seen Beale play on the wing for Australian schoolboys, the Waratahs and the Wallabies, and play well. Do games for those teams count as "evidence", or do they have to be played for the Reds?

Beale is as effective as Turinui on the wing. Beale, the slowest member in the Wallabies backline, doesn't have the essential gas to be a top flight test winger. As I pointed out above, and that you have just alluded to, he is adequate at everything but excels at nothing.

And for the record, playing for the Reds helps.

 

[Groucho]

Beale is as effective as Turinui on the wing. Beale, the slowest member in the Wallabies backline, doesn't have the essential gas to be a top flight test winger. As I pointed out above, and that you have just alluded to, he is adequate at everything but excels at nothing.

And for the record, playing for the Reds helps.

You're absolulutely right that Beale doesn't have the gas to be a top flight test winger. I'm sorry Reddy!, I wasn't aware that was what we were discussing. I thought we were discussing him covering the wing from the bench. Silly me.

 

[chief]

I think what Reddy is trying to say is that Beale as the Outside back bench player doesn't have what it take to cover the positions of #13, 14, 11 then say a player like Hynes, Turner or JOC (James O'Connor) would.

 

[Reddy!]

You're absolulutely right that Beale doesn't have the gas to be a top flight test winger. I'm sorry Reddy!, I wasn't aware that was what we were discussing. I thought we were discussing him covering the wing from the bench. Silly me.

I wasn't discussing anything with you. Just telling you how I see it, thanks for listening. And you are silly, admitting is the first step to a cure.

All I saw you say was that Beale is one of the greatest Wallaby wingers of all time (from the bench) and you can't blame me for having an issue with this. Anyway, Beale isn't an important player in this team so there is no point continuing to talk about him. I'd like to see Hynes get another chance at a test sometime soon (seeing how every other dick and his dog has) as I think he can settle things down in this flakey backline of ours.

 

[Reddy!]

I am also fully aware that the Wallabies will probably win this game easily and look like gods; they play well at Suncorp. And I also fully expect the Deans brigade to come out in full force and sing his praises, never mind the fact that this Irish team is old, rubbish and coming off a 50point thrashing by the All Blacks.

 

[Ash]

Jeez Burgess looks good sniping. Jeez Burgess is so poor at the other areas of his position.

 

[Ash]

Someone needs to ban Cooper and Beale from grubbers.

And get a sensible kicking game while they are at it.

Wallabies have gotten the harsh end of the stick from the ref.

 

[Ash]

Wallabies getting the better if the ref calls now. Good to see....unless you are Irish.

 

[ACT Crusader]

When Burgo passes off the deck or takes the ball forward he looks the goods. When he picks up the ball, pauses, takes a couple of shuffle steps to the side and passes, he looks ordinary, very very ordinary

 

[Reddy!]

Burgess doesn't have a clue most of the time.

This Wallabies team could quite possibly lose every Tri-Nations game this year. It isn't looking good. The lack of a quality kicker is going to hurt us as well.

 

[Scarfman]

I reckon his passing off the deck was pretty random tonight as well. I've played 10 a few times, and I would be spewing if I had to leap for the ball as much as Cooper has to.

Except for those times he gets it on the half-volley.