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Bledisloe 2 - Saturday 25th August 2018 - Eden Park, Auckland

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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Fixed.
Therein lies the difference.
Those opposing playing both at once feel that the lack of balance in the back row and the impact on other facets of play eg the lineout outweighs the benefit of having both on the field.
You obviously feel differently.
I can see logic behind both arguments.
We'll know soon enough as they'll both get selected again.


I agree there needs to be balance, but those two are better "6s" & "8s" than anyone we have at the moment as well being great "7s". I look forward to the time when that isn't correct, but at the moment they are the best units.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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a) Hooper was not match ready so an opportunity to try something different was missed. Not a key issue by any means


How so? I would have thought his performance on Saturday night made it pretty clear he was ready to go.

Fixed.
Therein lies the difference.
Those opposing playing both at once feel that the lack of balance in the back row and the impact on other facets of play eg the lineout outweighs the benefit of having both on the field.
You obviously feel differently.
I can see logic behind both arguments.
We'll know soon enough as they'll both get selected again.


Who are the other backrowers who are even in the same ballpark relatively? We don't have any 6 or 8 who are standouts.

Forget the 2 sevens. Is there a better eligible 8 in the country than Pocock? Timu closest but he struggled to make an impact v Ireland.


This is something I keep going back to.

If you were to list the best games played by a number 8 for the Wallabies in the last 5 years your top 10 performances would almost all be by Pocock and McMahon. You'd be lucky to find one or two from the last couple of years of Palu and Ben McCalman might sneak in there.
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
How so? I would have thought his performance on Saturday night made it pretty clear he was ready to go.




Who are the other backrowers who are even in the same ballpark relatively? We don't have any 6 or 8 who are standouts.




This is something I keep going back to.

If you were to list the best games played by a number 8 for the Wallabies in the last 5 years your top 10 performances would almost all be by Pocock and McMahon. You'd be lucky to find one or two from the last couple of years of Palu and Ben McCalman might sneak in there.
McCalman against Wales was pretty classy. Palu was regularly divisive.
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
That was the game I was thinking of too.

If you look at that game though, the reason McCalman was so good was his workrate and defence. It was not his ball running.
I reckon the big ball running number 8 is a bit of a myth. There are only a handful of players that can bust a defence in tight like that these days. Defences are too good.

Half the time a loose forward looks good with ball in hand he gets accused of sea-gulling anyway. I don't really get it.
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
i think chieka needs a selectors panel, cutting some of the admin team and investing in a bloody mental coach, geez our guys fall off when the going gets tough.
I noticed that, i think conceding quickly either side of half time did for their confidence completely.
 

dru

David Wilson (68)
How so? I would have thought his performance on Saturday night made it pretty clear he was ready to go.

Depends by what you mean by "ready to go". HE was nothing near his usual fitness. A clear yard slower after 30, maybe earlier. This didn't stop him pushing on and giving it all, he just didn't have as much to give as he usually does. I would have played him from the bench and brought him on with 30 to go.

Personally I thought his performance made it pretty clear that the claim he is automatically an 80min players even weeks away from the game - is rubbish.

That said, it's tweaking in the margins - Hooper was not a major reason behind how the WBs went in Bled #1.
 

waiopehu oldboy

George Smith (75)
Shag has said that if AL-B's leg is OK he'll play in Auckland & that with Aso not fit they're not looking at replacing Crotty. Also hinted strongly that Laumape will be on the bench.

Foster possibly took a shot at the journos who questioned NM-S not going to Sydney by pointing out how well he went for Manawatu & how much better he'll be for it should they need him at EP. I say possibly 'cos Foster is such a dry cnut it's hard to tell sometimes if he's being serious or taking the piss.
 

zer0

John Thornett (49)
ALB/Goodhue midfield, Naholo/Milner-Skudder/Accountant back three unit with McKenzie and Laumape on the bench. Everything else will be the same, for better or for worse.

EDIT: Unless Tu'ungafasi is back, in which case he'll bump Perry off the bench. If he isn't, I'd rather have a specialist TH on the bench, but not Tumanga-Allen. M.Ala'alatoa is eligible, isn't he?
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
ALB/Goodhue midfield, Naholo/Milner-Skudder/Accountant back three unit with McKenzie and Laumape on the bench. Everything else will be the same, for better or for worse.

EDIT: Unless Tu'ungafasi is back, in which case he'll bump Perry off the bench. If he isn't, I'd rather have a specialist TH on the bench, but not Tumanga-Allen. M.Ala'alatoa is eligible, isn't he?
Aussie playing for the ABs and against his brother might add a bit of narrative to an otherwise dull fixture.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
ALB/Goodhue midfield, Naholo/Milner-Skudder/Accountant back three unit with McKenzie and Laumape on the bench. Everything else will be the same, for better or for worse.

EDIT: Unless Tu'ungafasi is back, in which case he'll bump Perry off the bench. If he isn't, I'd rather have a specialist TH on the bench, but not Tumanga-Allen. M.Ala'alatoa is eligible, isn't he?

You don't think they will be tempted to play Jordie at 15, and Ben from accounts on wing? I suspect that's the way they go unless they give Dmac the 15 jersey.
 

waiopehu oldboy

George Smith (75)
ALB/Goodhue midfield, Naholo/Milner-Skudder/Accountant back three unit with McKenzie and Laumape on the bench. Everything else will be the same, for better or for worse.

EDIT: Unless Tu'ungafasi is back, in which case he'll bump Perry off the bench. If he isn't, I'd rather have a specialist TH on the bench, but not Tumanga-Allen. M.Ala'alatoa is eligible, isn't he?

"Tighthead prop Ofa Tu'ungafasi also trained "reasonably fully" and was a "possibility" to return to the match 23 at Eden Park." Unclear who stuff.co.nz were quoting but it's straight after a series of quotes from Foster so I'm picking it was him


Re: Ala'alatoa I think I read somewhere he's not eligible until October.

EDIT : then again, according to a news.com.au article from last August, "Michael becomes eligible for New Zealand next July once the Super season is finished....:


We probably shouldn't forget he's also eligible for Samoa via the Heritage Player route.
 

tragic

John Solomon (38)
I agree there needs to be balance, but those two are better "6s" & "8s" than anyone we have at the moment as well being great "7s". I look forward to the time when that isn't correct, but at the moment they are the best units.

It does make the selection at 2 and 6 critical though. Although the throwing was a large part of the line out problem having less targets does increase the pressure on the throw.
If (when) Hoper and Pocock start we need to pick 3 jumping locks at 4,5 and 6, and TAF will need to warm the pines in favour of a more reliable thrower.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Taf has been a reliable thrower for the last few years. Hopefully another week in camp has fixed a lot of the issues. Clearly it will be a huge focus this week.

The other aspect that has to be improved on is how we use the up tempo lineout. It wasn't working and we made it worse. We need to correct that. We got completely gamed by the All Blacks in that regard and played further and further into their hands.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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It does make the selection at 2 and 6 critical though. Although the throwing was a large part of the line out problem having less targets does increase the pressure on the throw.
If (when) Hoper and Pocock start we need to pick 3 jumping locks at 4,5 and 6, and TAF will need to warm the pines in favour of a more reliable thrower.
I think Taf will start, the pack was dusted at set piece, but it is never just the 2. The timing looked badly off and that is more complicated

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