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  1. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I'm sorry, I simply don't see any evidence that this is the thinking of the RA come 2024. They have just signed upto Super Rugby Pacific, do you then just dump that in 2024, what happens to the Drua or Pacifica. Its quite clear what the RA strategy is a Lions tour followed by the World cup in...
  2. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Australian rugby is like a manufacturer of top end 4 Wheel Drives it is a great product, but with limited buyers as most of the market are happily driving around in 4 door sedans. The simple fact is if it wants to increase market share it needs to produce a 4-door sedan as well yet it faces...
  3. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I hear ya Dru, but say you take the top 10 influential people in Aus rugby (and choosing those maybe opening a can of worms), of those who are actively pushing a domestic agenda.
  4. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Not sure what the definition of a failed TT is though, the game here needs growth, not a happy continuation of the status quo. If they could impliment say an 8 team NRC (5 super sides, maybe the Drua, a 2nd NSW & QLD team) then maybe come 2023 they have the option to say see ya. Right now the...
  5. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Sorry Rugbynutter, this is where i disagree with you the RA are broke, in 20 years they have shown no real genuine desire to push a domestic option and to be fair neither has the fan base really pushed it. The two year sign up is probably all they could get with co-vid concerns. There has been...
  6. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Sorry, but I don't share your faith in the goings on in the background. Rugby in Australia is well & truly broke. It was clear in the last negotiations this was the opportunity to make the change, did the RA really have any choice, when bankrupty was a genuine option. The thing is why do we...
  7. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Of course it grew to quickly, but that was the only way the money tree ever grew. Super rugby never increased in value in its own markets, it was only ever through expansion. Super 12 may have been a great comp, but don't you remember "expand or die" Where was everyone then, all jumping on the...
  8. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    An old interview came up in my facebook post with Jon O'Neill yesterday, I can't beleive how ridiculous it sounds now. Like building empires, look what they ended up with. The whole thing was built on a house of nothing, yet they've still got the same mentallity.
  9. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But isn't that the sad thing about all of this, of course lets sign up for another crappy Super Rugby format. Do you reckon Marinos isn't already lining up a RWC consultancy role, let the gravy train continue. All with the promise of riches to Aus rugby with the Lions and the RWC. Yet somehow...
  10. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    It is the whole set up of Australian rugby, people getting world class wages for a sport struggling domestically for relevance. Look at the cost of the Rebels each year, 5 Super Rugby sides, the Wallabies, what about Scott Wisemantel (director of coaching) $3/4 million a year. Yet to the...
  11. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    They are doing what is best for a specific group of people that have always been looked after under the current set up. Look its a catch 22 and you are right why the fuck don't the RA walk away and start there own domestic comp. But sadly that requires a whole level of letting go of self...
  12. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Just an interesting note, the Warriors confirming Redcliffe (Brisbane) as there 2022 base with games in NZ if possible. Should make Super Pacific with an 18th February start intersting.
  13. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Agreed, but sadly also the reluctance of the Sydney club scene to go professional, a national comp would or could have grown from the Sydney clubs and as with the NRL and AFL expand from that footprint. But the private school ethos or basically snobbery prevented that from happening, there was...
  14. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    None of us on here have said anything here about rugby matching the NRL or AFL, but don't you remember all the talk of Super rugby taking over the world though, a bloody lot of that coming from NZ. Your right though it will be more like the NBL and A-league, but that is where rugby is in the...
  15. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    So why would anyone want to watch Super Rugby then.
  16. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But the whole philosiphy of Super Rugby was "expand or Die", remember by now we were supposed to have conferences in each continent. At every broadcast deal any added value was only ever through (incredibly badly done) expansion. Each union happily accepted those cheques, with what now seems...
  17. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Your right "domestic footprint" is something Super rugby will never give the code here, exactly why it is f_____g stupid for the code here to be part of it, because you may soon find you have no wood to cut while your waltzing around with your spanner.
  18. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    With all due respect a domestic competition is not some wild idea, yet somehow after 20 years they still have not been able to deliver that, which would have helped grow the game from niche status in this country.
  19. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    No it doesn't show how little idea people have. It shows that self interest trumps all. Hard decisions should have been made 20 years ago and the code here would be in a far healthier state, but even now decisions still being made are for short term survival and self interest, those boards who...
  20. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The winning option to grow Austrlalain rugby has been tried for the last 20 years, it has not worked. Until the game here adopts a competition structure that appeals to a far greater fan base then you can talk all you want about future stars, PE, grassroot structures because not much will ever...
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