Where to for Super Rugby?
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yes you 'think', you can't guarantee that anything will change, there's as much chance as a merged team playing as wel as the teams this year... it doesn't solve the coaching pathways, it doesn't fix the talent idenfiticaiton issues in Australian Rugby and it doesn't provide a product that the public are able to engage with or support anymore then they do now... in fact the only guarantee that you have is that it will kill Rugby Union in Canberra, it will destroy one of the best rivalries in Australian Rugby and remove a team with rich history and heritage because other markets are failing.
Let's not kid ourselves, merging the Brumbies and moving them to Canberra is a hostile takeover, Cox would either have to be reimbursed a significant amount or he assumes control of the new organisation... why would you want one of Australian Rugbys few shining lights be taken over and absorbed into an organisation like the Rebels, which has shown no improvement in 5 years of Super Rugby.
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Jason Little (69)
Spot on TOCC. You say it like it is.
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Jason Little (69)
FP and others who want to see one of our franchises disappear. IMO that would be the worst outcome, long term, as it would limit the opportunities for players coming through to develop at that level and higher. It would almost certainly, immediately see an exodus of Super Rugby standard players from the country as they field better offers from Europe etc.
But, in the dire circumstances that one side is axed, common sense says it must be the Rebels. They have been probably the biggest drain on the ARU's funds since their introduction and they show no indication they will ever tap into the consciousness of millions of residents of Melbourne nor the commercial interests down there. They are more likely to continue to be a drain on the purse, and as soon as their present owner realises that he will be gone courtesy of his get out of jail free card.
The way forward must be to reconstruct the Super Rugby conference system, and for the ARU to start being serious about taking control of coaching systems around the country. Either a trans Tasman competition or a three conference competition as have been described by many on this thread together with some proper management and financial oversight by the ARU based on five Aus franchises are better bets for Aus rugby in the future. Ditching any of the present franchises will see things go backwards, no matter which side is cast aside, but worst case would be for either the Brumbies or Force to disappear.
But, in the dire circumstances that one side is axed, common sense says it must be the Rebels. They have been probably the biggest drain on the ARU's funds since their introduction and they show no indication they will ever tap into the consciousness of millions of residents of Melbourne nor the commercial interests down there. They are more likely to continue to be a drain on the purse, and as soon as their present owner realises that he will be gone courtesy of his get out of jail free card.
The way forward must be to reconstruct the Super Rugby conference system, and for the ARU to start being serious about taking control of coaching systems around the country. Either a trans Tasman competition or a three conference competition as have been described by many on this thread together with some proper management and financial oversight by the ARU based on five Aus franchises are better bets for Aus rugby in the future. Ditching any of the present franchises will see things go backwards, no matter which side is cast aside, but worst case would be for either the Brumbies or Force to disappear.
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Sure something needs to happen...
But I certainly don't agree with this sentiment that the Brumbies should pack up and move to Melbourne because it represents a larger market, a larger market means absolutely nothing if the product you are trying to sell doesn't engage with the market. And I'm not talking about the style of the Rugby or their win percentage, I'm talking about a competition which people understand, a comp where people know who the opposition is, where they're from and are able to watch that team week in week out on tv..not the current state of affairs
Cutting a team whilst everything else remains the same is ignoring the elephant in he room, and it will do more damage then good....
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Dick Tooth (41)
I have also posted this in the declining participation thread. However it can not be ignored in this discussion.
Its a participation analysis by the Roy Morgan group.
Its scary actually and in total contradiction to what the ARU have been saying for years.
I suggest everyone open the link. Rugby is on it.
http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7...cipation-australia-december-2016-201703200905
Its a participation analysis by the Roy Morgan group.
Its scary actually and in total contradiction to what the ARU have been saying for years.
I suggest everyone open the link. Rugby is on it.
http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7...cipation-australia-december-2016-201703200905
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
I think that last year was the first time that the ARU actually admitted the numbers were in decline. 12.7% was the figure in their annual report.
The also decline to specify their grass roots spend, unlike the RFU.
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
-63% in the last 15 years at number 26 just above fucking archery. Jesus.
National health issue.
Edit: I wonder how much of this correlates with a contracting economy, a loss of disposable income and increase in average work hours for the average person.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
WorkingClassRugger
Michael Lynagh (62)
No way there is 118,000 people Rowing in this country. No god damn way. Terrible figures for Rugby but those figures have always been rubbery.
Remember those numbers are 14 and above. Doesn't count Jnr numbers which are huge.
That's why sports that have strong masters type focuses are big there.
I'd love to see afl jrn numbers for regular participants. Not Auskick.
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That's why sports that have strong masters type focuses are big there.
I'd love to see afl jrn numbers for regular participants. Not Auskick.
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KOB1987
John Eales (66)
Yeah, just looking at Sydney alone there are about a dozen rowing clubs, and how many rugby clubs, including subbies, most with multiple grades?? Out here where I am there are about 200 rugby players 14+ and 0 rowers!
Regardless of the rubberiness of any specific sports' figures, the general trend shows an increase in the participation of lower impact sports (archery, badminton, soccer) at the expense of high contact sports like union and league. Whilst the increase in soccer is no doubt partially related to marketing efforts, (as is the decline in union) the overall figures are in part due to multiculturalism and because our society is becoming softer - parents are getting their kids to play sports where there is less risk of injury.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
From the 2015 ARU report:
706K participants in 'rugby experiences'
267K participants in competitions of 5 games or more.
Whilst those figures are no doubt sugar coated I'd like to see the figures from the Archery body annual report too.
EDIT: from the Rowing Australia website:
"Rowing is a sport for life, accessible to people of all ages, genders, fitness and skill levels, and currently enjoyed by over 60,000 participants and 25,000 active members ranging from young rowers at school through to those at universities and in the wider community right through to masters rowing."
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
And, based off my experience, a lot of kids leave after u'15s due to academic/school sport/cultural/other reasons
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
Would you say 80% though? That's the inference from the figures if you assume Morgans to be correct. Just a rough split of the figures from our club:
7s: 50
9s: 40
11s: 40
13s: 40
15s: 25
17s: 25
19s: 25
Seniors: 100
SO thats about 50/50, don't know how representative that is of other clubs.
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Bill McLean (32)
so,when is the ARU going to lift the maxwell smart cone of silence and say something?
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Phil Kearns (64)
Presumably they will wait until they've got something to say. Seems sensible to me.
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