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daz
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I'm no expert at Super Rugby, but I am pretty sure that sounds like an area that fall's under the coaching core competency.
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I'm no expert at Super Rugby, but I am pretty sure that sounds like an area that fall's under the coaching core competency.
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Alan Cameron (40)
I said it i the match thread but Alcock>hodgson and Lynn should be in our wykes. The force were way to light weight in the tight for this game.
Also #christieout.....
Also #christieout.....
brokendown
Bill McLean (32)
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daz
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I thought it was more like a player's core competency
you can lead a camel to water.and all that
The best game-plan in the world isn't going to help you if you can't communicate it to the playerss, or if they ignore you.
No need to panic yet; first game, etc. But as far as earned respect goes, I think the Force boys may have put the book into the red on that one.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I havent seen the whole game - what i have seen confirms your view.I thought it was more like a player's core competency
you can lead a camel to water.and all that
I you look in the Wallabies Watch thread you will see players lacking core competencies being picked in the "form" XV.
This is not just a Force problem.
Woodenspoon
Herbert Moran (7)
Very disappointing loss, guys. I must admit I was not expecting such a poor performance after the little light I saw in the first round.
Once again plenty of ball possession in the first half without capitalising much on the scoreboard, once again poor performance at the lineout, once again easy penalty kicks and easy conversions outside the uprights, once again holes in defense like a swiss cheese and several handling errors. Those things led the Force to a very discouraging loss and let us see a dark future for the franchise.
Hopefully the Western Force can still improve, because in my humble opinion the flaws are clear:
1 - the game plan shouldn't be anymore "let's make a lot of straight ball carries against a well-organized defense" (which explains both quantity of possession and lack of points) and shouldn't be anymore "let's kick the ball somewhere on the field because we don't know what to do with it"
2 - we need a reliable kicker in the starting lineup
3 - in the game plan, we need to involve mainly the backs, centres especially, that can break the line and create space for other players
4 - we need to improve a lot in defense and at the lineout
That's why now I don't understand the reason why the Force signed some players that should have helped to fix those issues (Ebersohn and CTM are the first names that come to my mind)
If nothing changes, well, it's going to be a hard time next week in Pretoria against the Bulls
Once again plenty of ball possession in the first half without capitalising much on the scoreboard, once again poor performance at the lineout, once again easy penalty kicks and easy conversions outside the uprights, once again holes in defense like a swiss cheese and several handling errors. Those things led the Force to a very discouraging loss and let us see a dark future for the franchise.
Hopefully the Western Force can still improve, because in my humble opinion the flaws are clear:
1 - the game plan shouldn't be anymore "let's make a lot of straight ball carries against a well-organized defense" (which explains both quantity of possession and lack of points) and shouldn't be anymore "let's kick the ball somewhere on the field because we don't know what to do with it"
2 - we need a reliable kicker in the starting lineup
3 - in the game plan, we need to involve mainly the backs, centres especially, that can break the line and create space for other players
4 - we need to improve a lot in defense and at the lineout
That's why now I don't understand the reason why the Force signed some players that should have helped to fix those issues (Ebersohn and CTM are the first names that come to my mind)
If nothing changes, well, it's going to be a hard time next week in Pretoria against the Bulls
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
I still rate Christie.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
RoffsChoice
Jim Lenehan (48)
That is surprising, surely he is the second choice at the hurricanes?
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
he as been with the force for a few weeks now training and plaing in their A side. its only cover for Mathewson and Snowden untill Sheehan is back in a few weeks
Shiggins
Simon Poidevin (60)
Defending is. Hands down best wing defender in World! Rugby! Yep. That's right.
Shiggins
Simon Poidevin (60)
We scored 3 tries. 1 not allowed. That's 5 points. Then we missed how many penalties? Well 2 conversions and 2 penalties I think but then we turned down easy shots at goal because of the kicking. With a good kicker we would of pulled away with the game. We were not putting nails in the coffin at critical times and the kings grew every time. I blame the kicking 90%. The forwards went great with the pick and driving making lots of meters.
We lost the game because we couldn't get points off the boot. If anyone watches it again ( a kings fan would lol) count how many shots were turned down.
We lost the game because we couldn't get points off the boot. If anyone watches it again ( a kings fan would lol) count how many shots were turned down.
The whole kicking/turning down kicks becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You miss your first few kicks and end up falling behind on the scoreboard and then become increasingly gunshy in taking more shots at goal because you're behind on the scoreboard and you have the mentality that shots at goal are unlikely to net you any points.
It does seem pretty apparent that the Force have to find a better kicker than Godwin. He was terrible at the U20 RWC and in two games so far this season has shown that his goalkicking ability is being accurately reflected in his poor success rate. It would seem a foolhardy option to think that he will be kicking with a high level of accuracy anytime soon.
You miss your first few kicks and end up falling behind on the scoreboard and then become increasingly gunshy in taking more shots at goal because you're behind on the scoreboard and you have the mentality that shots at goal are unlikely to net you any points.
It does seem pretty apparent that the Force have to find a better kicker than Godwin. He was terrible at the U20 RWC and in two games so far this season has shown that his goalkicking ability is being accurately reflected in his poor success rate. It would seem a foolhardy option to think that he will be kicking with a high level of accuracy anytime soon.
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
Chris Eaton has joined the Force as cover at scrum half
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Moono75
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One of the problems with the Force over the years has been their tendency to chop and change from one week to the next. If Godwin is the best kicker in the team then keep having him take the kicks. Get a specialist kicking coach in if you have to and a sports psych to work on his nerves. We are supposedly a professional rugby team with a very good coaching structure......find a solution!
Sias appears to be the solution, although I haven't minded Christie at 10.
Sias appears to be the solution, although I haven't minded Christie at 10.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
Fowler is the kicking coach one of the reasons Mike Harris is such a good kicker give him time.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
? So Fowler didnt help in developing his kicking?
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