But Mowen has been cut loose. They don't want him. So not really a long term investment. Unfortunately.
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But Mowen has been cut loose. They don't want him. So not really a long term investment. Unfortunately.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
I have said numerous times that in 2012, I want to see at least 2, ideally 3, Aus S15 teams all knocking the socks off each other and the SA and NZ opposition from Rnd 1, and playing fan-friendly win-plenty rugby that pulls really good crowds (gate and TV). I want to see the Tahs fulfil their huge potential, etc. and finally become the true champion team from NSW that will quickly win a Final. Thus, the thing that chilled my spine at the definitely-cut-Mowen-loose decision was that it implied that the Waratahs CEO and Board had no intention of finding a new-broom, world-class coach, and permitting him a proper and considered assessment of all the player stocks at the Tahs' disposal, going into 2012. The Mowen-out move feels awfully like 'limited change on the way, Hickey and Jason Allen still know best what players are needed, and what ones can be dumped...' There was something ominously status-quo-rules about it all.
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tranquility
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Its weird isn't it??
Beau Robinson, Matt Hodgson, Jono Jenkins, Michael Hooper.
Surely they can't have all 'slipped through the cracks'??
Someone has not been doing a good job of identifying talent. Jono Jenkins would have to be the obvious target, and would be a good acquisition.
Beau Robinson, Matt Hodgson, Jono Jenkins, Michael Hooper.
Surely they can't have all 'slipped through the cracks'??
Someone has not been doing a good job of identifying talent. Jono Jenkins would have to be the obvious target, and would be a good acquisition.
rugbysmartarse
Alan Cameron (40)
Agreed t. A cynical man might suspect something ominous
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
I am very cynical as you have already stated RS, but in this case incompetance is the order of the day. Part of my tirade for the past two years regarding Tahs management. Where is the forward planning? Where is the continuous game plan improvement etc etc etc.
If Hickey goes will we see any apprciable change or do they say, "We have almost made it, we will just tweek it a bit." and ignore the fact that they have discarded Mowen (who has been a stalwart of the backrow the last two years), lost Beale and I would suggest will lose Barnes to retirement. Is that too cynical? I don't think so more like realism and poor managers taking the easy path and one they can trot out stats to support THEIR point of view.
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tranquility
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I honestly can't understand why you would get rid of a bloke like Ben Mowen.
He has been consistently good enough to make your 22 for two years, in many cases he has been a mainstay of your XV. He is very consistent, and has great temperament off the paddock. You build club culture around blokes like this, and you piss off the playing group when you discard with them.
Let's not forget that he is a big bodied player, who enjoys the tight stuff. Who is making these decisions???
Any club who picks him up, will have made a good purchase.
He has been consistently good enough to make your 22 for two years, in many cases he has been a mainstay of your XV. He is very consistent, and has great temperament off the paddock. You build club culture around blokes like this, and you piss off the playing group when you discard with them.
Let's not forget that he is a big bodied player, who enjoys the tight stuff. Who is making these decisions???
Any club who picks him up, will have made a good purchase.
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Ron Walden (29)
I agree with the recent posts in regards to Ben Mowen - it is an absolute shame that a player of his potential and talent is being shown the door.
While it is remarkable to look at the specialist openside player that have 'slipped through the cracks' in previous years, I believe that the current heir apparent is still in the Tahs set-up (and seems to be Hickey's third choice) - Chris Alcock.
While it is remarkable to look at the specialist openside player that have 'slipped through the cracks' in previous years, I believe that the current heir apparent is still in the Tahs set-up (and seems to be Hickey's third choice) - Chris Alcock.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
At the risk of repeating myself. In the four games that he has played since Waugh and McCutcheon were injured he has had two absolute shockers. In both games in SA he missed 7 tackles and made 8. About the only team that sort of performance qualifies you for is the Rebels!
rugbysmartarse
Alan Cameron (40)
So I am the only one suspicious of Waughs guiding hand and the waratah lack of holding a promising alternate 7? How handy would matt hodgeson be right about now?
jay-c
Ron Walden (29)
ok ok phil waugh might be slow, small, often injured, unable to pilfer, unable to make dominant tackles, unable to support backline play- or even to encourage it for that matter, unable to be a linout option, unable to impose himself on opposition... but hes a good leader
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
[video=youtube;cacliim6DO0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cacliim6DO0[/video]
Video shows him every single one of those points you wrote.
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
Video doesn't work. Or was that the point you were trying to make?
Fixed now, but fair call
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
I agree that he's slowed down, but he's not an empty jersey by any means.
His effort in the final against the Crusaders was superhuman.
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TheNextBigThing
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Awesome video.
2:48 I miss the ELVs.
2:48 I miss the ELVs.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
With Phil not likely to figure in Deans's plans going forward he will have the opportunity to repair his broken body and bounce back refreshed. In my opinion the Waratahs would be crazy not to make sure that he is signed for at least the next two years. There is still plenty of fight and fury left in the old warrior but he has just been carrying too many injuries to perform at the extraordinarily high standard that the video clip reminds us of.
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