Wallabies v Springboks, Sat 10th August 2.30pm AEST @ Suncorp,

[TSR]

I don't think they are really unforced. A lot of this just comes from fatigue and trying to create something with backfoot ball

I’m not suggesting all of them were - but some definitely were. Some of the lineout misses the player was in clear air. Kellaways card and Wilson’s penalty were both avoidable. Gordon’s kick that was easily marked was badly directed. There were others but none of those were caused by defensive pressure.

 

[Derpus]

I’m not suggesting all of them were - but some definitely were. Some of the lineout misses the player was in clear air. Kellaways card and Wilson’s penalty were both avoidable. Gordon’s kick that was easily marked was badly directed. There were others but none of those were caused by defensive pressure.

The kicking game was a bit odd - kicking it from just outside the 22 into their 22 via an uncontested bomb?

 

[Brumby Runner]

The Wallabies can be so predictable when it comes to unforced errors. For example, Nasser came on to throw into a lineout about 6 - 10 metres from the tryline. The call was to the very back of the line, but of course, first touch of the ball and with no feel for the game, he overthrew it and, from memory, the Boks took the ball well into our territory in that one phase.

Other instances are around loose ball or ball on the ground. We just know that we'll be beaten to the ball by every opposition on most occasions and when we do actually get to it first it is fumbled more often than not.

On the timing of the unforced errors yesterday, I reckon Paisami had given away a couple of penalties before he'd even worked up a sweat.

 

[Brumby Runner]

One of the positives to come out of the game was Noah's kicking for touch. He didn't shank or bomb any and uncharacteristically found good ground every time. Maybe someone had a good idea that he might practice those kicks a bit?

 

[LeCheese]

The Wallabies can be so predictable when it comes to unforced errors. For example, Nasser came on to throw into a lineout about 6 - 10 metres from the tryline. The call was to the very back of the line, but of course, first touch of the ball and with no feel for the game, he overthrew it and, from memory, the Boks took the ball well into our territory in that one phase.

If it’s the same lineout I’m thinking of, it was more of a timing issue than an overthrow - equally the fault of the jumper/lifters. A lot of movement in that lineout iirc. Definitely over complicated things.

 

[Equalizer]

The Wallabies lack an intimidating presence, speed, size and attitude. The great talent are playing other sports. The RA admin have run the game down and the prevailing perception is rugby is a 'meh' sport. Just look at the supporters yesterday at the game. The BOK supporters partying, vocal, energetic. Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots. Australian rugby crowds are quiet, staid and boring supporters following decades of brow beating by sporting and stadium overseers.

 

[dru]

The Wallabies lack an intimidating presence, speed, size and attitude. The great talent are playing other sports. The RA admin have run the game down and the prevailing perception is rugby is a 'meh' sport. Just look at the supporters yesterday at the game. The BOK supporters partying, vocal, energetic. Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots. Australian rugby crowds are quiet, staid and boring supporters following decades of brow beating by sporting and stadium overseers.

I'd humbly suggest that the Wallabies themselves had just a tad to do with the quiet crowd.

 

[Tomthumb]

The Wallabies lack an intimidating presence, speed, size and attitude. The great talent are playing other sports. The RA admin have run the game down and the prevailing perception is rugby is a 'meh' sport. Just look at the supporters yesterday at the game. The BOK supporters partying, vocal, energetic. Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots. Australian rugby crowds are quiet, staid and boring supporters following decades of brow beating by sporting and stadium overseers.

What exactly were they supposed to cheer about?

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

The Wallabies lack an intimidating presence, speed, size and attitude. The great talent are playing other sports. The RA admin have run the game down and the prevailing perception is rugby is a 'meh' sport. Just look at the supporters yesterday at the game. The BOK supporters partying, vocal, energetic. Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots. Australian rugby crowds are quiet, staid and boring supporters following decades of brow beating by sporting and stadium overseers.

And yet the atmosphere at the earlier tests has been pretty good

 

[Derpus]

The Wallabies lack an intimidating presence, speed, size and attitude. The great talent are playing other sports. The RA admin have run the game down and the prevailing perception is rugby is a 'meh' sport. Just look at the supporters yesterday at the game. The BOK supporters partying, vocal, energetic. Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots. Australian rugby crowds are quiet, staid and boring supporters following decades of brow beating by sporting and stadium overseers.

Its almost like being consecutive world champions and the clear best team in the world engenders positivity.

 

[Pfitzy]

Its almost like being consecutive world champions and the clear best team in the world engenders positivity.

And having a lot of players who have game time together produces cohesiveness.

Let's face it: their flyhalf was invisible and they didn't have FdK and still looked good. Simple game plan, well executed, by guys who have played a lot of high level rugby their entire career, and a fair bit of that in the same environment the last few years at Test level.

Meanwhile, Schmidt has to work with whatever made it through the political morass that is schoolboy rugby and got picked up by one of the weakest professional systems in our Tier. A lot of them are new, the veterans have been gradually worn down to their bones trying to hold our aspirations together, and we're only just waking up to the fact we need to change how we manage High Performance.

On the plus side, we're very close to having one of the strongest professional systems in the next Tier down!

 

[Goosestep]

Keep losing like that and he will change the MO

You’ll be changing coaches , he won’t be able to stay on

 

[Goosestep]

I think he’s just drawn a line in the sand and his first step was to see what he can do with the local based exclusively. Second step was to fill a couple of holes where we have weakness, which he is doing via Koroibete and Skelton by the looks of it. He said he won’t know what his best xv is until the EOYT, and that’s when he can go all in with foreign selection. Marky didn’t warrant selection, his head was already at the Roosters.

Recipe for disaster , but it’s his call .

 

[Ignoto]

Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots.

Only people I saw wearing check shirts yesterday were the country boys and corporates.

The rest was a sea of green with gold sprinkled throughout it.

There really was bugger all to cheer about yesterday. The 24k we had for the Welsh was louder as the Reds gave the public something to cheer for.

 

[Derpus]

And having a lot of players who have game time together produces cohesiveness.

Let's face it: their flyhalf was invisible and they didn't have FdK and still looked good. Simple game plan, well executed, by guys who have played a lot of high level rugby their entire career, and a fair bit of that in the same environment the last few years at Test level.

Meanwhile, Schmidt has to work with whatever made it through the political morass that is schoolboy rugby and got picked up by one of the weakest professional systems in our Tier. A lot of them are new, the veterans have been gradually worn down to their bones trying to hold our aspirations together, and we're only just waking up to the fact we need to change how we manage High Performance.

On the plus side, we're very close to having one of the strongest professional systems in the next Tier down!

I'm with Cyclo on this - it'll never be fixed.

 

[PhilClinton]

The Wallabies lack an intimidating presence, speed, size and attitude. The great talent are playing other sports. The RA admin have run the game down and the prevailing perception is rugby is a 'meh' sport. Just look at the supporters yesterday at the game. The BOK supporters partying, vocal, energetic. Wallabies supporters hoping not to spill their Cab Sav on their check shirt and RM Williams boots. Australian rugby crowds are quiet, staid and boring supporters following decades of brow beating by sporting and stadium overseers.

It was pretty good party vibes before and after the game on Caxton St. All the venues were pretty much packed out till 8ish, good mixture of Boks and Aussie supporters as well.

 

[Pfitzy]

I'm with Cyclo on this - it'll never be fixed.

Cyclo is the smartest plumber you'll meet.

He's right, because he knows that while the ideas are there, the silly bastards keep ignoring them (i.e. me) and therefore will never lift the game up.

 

[cyclopath]

Well you’re going to have to fire schmidt if you want that …

his M.O coaching the wallabies was only selecting Australian based players… and excluding all others- including making ridiculous “statements” like dropping Marky Mark (Nawaqanitawase) (Nawaqanitawase) who still had a year left on his contract .

Except it isn't.

 

[stillmissit]

We didn’t throw a punch. Even when 2 men up we did not have the capacity to slow down and take advantage. This will be a learning experience in the long rebuilding process. The Boks were relentless and it was like a training run for them. Rassie trying some new ideas throughout.
We need to hold them up front before we can play out the back and without the likes of TT, Bell, McReight and possibly Skelton it was never going to happen.
Going backwards there was no direction from the halves. Lolesio had probably his worst performance in tests. Where do we turn?
I thought Frost stood up, as did Kailea. Valetini was once again himself. Our TH side of the scrum was crushed from the first time they packed down and we just could not even get close to parity from then. We were shut down and out right from the start. I think the Boks will be very pleased.
Lots to work on for us and up is once again the only way to go. I doubt that our coaches are very surprised at this result.

Watching that game a few things seemed obvious. AAA is not a top tier 3 and Lolesio can only play when we have a reasonable chance of holding their pack and giving him some space. Nongorr looked the goods, Frost and LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) played OK, Valetini was a handful in the 2nd half. The pack fought hard but poor in discipline. The backs were never given a chance without go forward ball and poor distribution from Gordon and Lolesio complicated issues.
#1 Lesson - Cut down the kicking, giving the ball to SA or NZ is a desperate act with little reward.

 

[stillmissit]

But, we got dished up at the coal face. There is no way around that. As said, we were going backwards and under pressure. Hopefully we can change it around a bit for next week and muscle up.

I'm hopeful we will go somewhat better in the second game if TT, Bell, Koro and Kellaway to 15 it should look better. Is BPA over the injury?