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Wallabies at the Rugby World Cup 2011

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Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
I was saving this for another thread, but it seems appropriate here. IMHO there was more journalistic integrity in my high school year book than there is in most of the articles written on RWC11.

Growden seems to have risen to a new lows with his gossip mongering. In comparison, The Fitz Files reads like an article in the Lancet.

The Kiwis do not escape, and many of the NZHerald.co,nz articles are no better than the Angela Bishop fashion, parties and gossip pages of the Sun Herald, albeit still better than our Grumbles product.

I do not read the Saffer or NH press on line, but would be interested in overseas readers confirming if is there a similar degree of rugby ignorance being displayed from your "journalists".
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
You grant the exceptions on a case by case basis, yes.

DId the first one that you speak of result in the mass exodus that you're worried about?

The policy has been in place since 1996 at least, I hardly think two exceptions in 16 years is a demonstration that everyone can leave and still get picked. After all, there's no evidence of it whatsoever.

How would anyone know: the highest paid australian Rugby players is a fellow playing in France....I had never heard of him when told this. He's a 5/8. Who knows how good he is, was or might have been?
When they did it with elson it felt wrong. When they did it with Vickerman, they didn't quite do it, but it felt worse.
Why have any rule if you're not going to enforce it: all such a situation leads to is a feeling that there are different rules for different players.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Deans places cavalry on standby Greg Growden
September 25, 2011.

WELLINGTON: The Wallabies will not decide until at least tomorrow whether they will call for replacements after suffering a hideous injury toll from their comprehensive 67-5 win over the United States on Friday night.

Five players - centres Rob Horne, Pat McCabe and Anthony Fainga'a, No.8 Wycliff Palu and fullback Kurtley Beale - were hurt during the game, but Wallabies coach Robbie Deans believes the carnage might not be as dramatic as first anticipated.

The most critical injury is that of Horne, who fractured his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the match, but played until the 48th minute. It had been thought that he would be forced home, but he could still stay with the 30-man Wallabies squad, which yesterday moved camp to Hanmer Springs, near Christchurch on the South Island.
Advertisement: Story continues below Deans said Horne's fracture was ''only a minor displacement, so that's promising''.

''We will do some further investigation when we get to Christchurch, and make a decision when we know more about how we'll handle it,'' Deans said yesterday. ''We have to get the full picture first. Last night it was pretty terminal, but there is the possibility now the treatment may not involve surgery, which is a good start.''

Horne's face was puffed up, swollen and purple yesterday, indicating he will require a miracle to stay in New Zealand. McCabe originally dislocated his shoulder, but it went back in on Friday night, bringing hope that he will be available for the quarter-finals. He recently experienced something similar with the Brumbies and played the following week. Fainga'a was knocked out in the final minute of the game when tackling Chris Wyles and is expected to be sidelined for several weeks.

''Anthony has presented very well this morning,'' Deans said. ''He can recall everything, including the moments leading up to the tackle, which is a great sign. We'll monitor him. This is not something we mess around with. We will ensure that he is fully recovered before he re-enters the fray.''

Palu is in doubt for Saturday's final pool match against Russia in Nelson with a hamstring strain, while Beale's hamstring tightening is not regarded as serious. When asked if he would call for replacements, Deans said he and his staff would not decide for at least 48 hours. Any replacement was likely to come from the original 40-man training squad, which gives Matt Giteau hope of receiving an SOS. Other options include Ben Tapuai and Luke Morahan.

''We've trained with 40 players earlier in the year, so it's pretty evident where we will be looking to,'' Deans said.

Asked if Giteau was in the frame, Deans replied: ''He's obviously in the frame for a potential call-up. He was in the 40-man squad.''

James O'Connor, who missed the match with a hamstring, is expected to be available for the Russian game, as will back-rower Scott Higginbotham, who has a back complaint. David Pocock is likely to miss his third match in a row with a lower back strain, while winger Digby Ioane, who is recovering from a fractured thumb, is in line to return for the quarter-finals.

Apart from the casualties, Deans was delighted that his team regained their form against USA, scoring 11 tries in the process.

''The boys turned up and maintained their intensity,'' Deans said. ''People look at the scoreboard and could suggest that some of these fixtures are supposedly easy. But you only have to look at the carnage to recognise that's not the case.

''The conditioning of every World Cup side is good, so there's no easy route to the try line. And even when you get to the try line, you take a few knocks along the way. The players' mentality was good. The structure in their game improved, but we weren't perfect. We struggled to maintain ball on occasions.''
 

vidiot

John Solomon (38)
1st shoulder subluxation should be immobilised for 2 or 3 weeks in a sling to try and reduce risk of recurrence. If it happens again the benefit of immobilizing gets a bit dubious. Damage is done. In other words, if it's a recurrent problem McCabe is a real chance of continuing.

Fainga'a is potentially a bit controversial, but I guess he can return after a couple of weeks if he examines ok and medico oks it, complying with IRB.

Horne may be a goer too - he is in a better place than Lockyer.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
1st shoulder subluxation should be immobilised for 2 or 3 weeks in a sling to try and reduce risk of recurrence. If it happens again the benefit of immobilizing gets a bit dubious. Damage is done. In other words, if it's a recurrent problem McCabe is a real chance of continuing.

Fainga'a is potentially a bit controversial, but I guess he can return after a couple of weeks if he examines ok and medico oks it, complying with IRB.

Horne may be a goer too - he is in a better place than Lockyer.

NZ?
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Battered Aussies to ignore veteran Matt Giteau

Mike Coleman and Iain Payten
The Sunday Telegraph
September 25, 2011 12:00AM


WALLABY outcast Matt Giteau is set to be snubbed again for a World Cup call-up despite the likelihood two injured centres will be sent home after a torrid victory over the USA on Friday.

With Rob Horne (cheekbone) and Pat McCabe (shoulder) suffering potentially tournament-ending injuries in the 67-5 win, uncapped Reds rookie Ben Tapuai has emerged as the leading contender ahead of Giteau to jet into New Zealand as the emergency reserve this week.

Given the question marks over the fitness of Wycliff Palu and key openside flanker David Pocock, Wallabies management have drawn up a short-list of replacements.

The Sunday Telegraph understands Tapuai is top of the list, followed by Western Force flanker Matt Hodgson and versatile Waratahs backrower Dave Dennis.

Tapuai, 22, impressed in both attack and defence for Queensland in their Super Rugby title season and starred for the Australian Barbarians against Canada last month.
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Asked if 92-Test veteran Giteau was a possibility to be invited back in from the cold, coach Robbie Deans answered without enthusiasm.

"Well, he's obviously in the frame for a potential call-up. He was part of the original 40 (training squad)," Deans said.

With close to a third of his 30-man squad under a cloud, Deans said a decision on replacements would be made within 48 hours after medical staff had assessed Horne, McCabe and Palu (hamstring).

The trio was set to undergo scans in Christchurch yesterday.

Tapuai was involved in the Brisbane club rugby final yesterday for Sunnybank against Brothers and Dennis played for Sydney Uni in the Shute Shield decider against Eastwood.

Deans was giving nothing away in terms of replacements yesterday but hinted there would be no call to Giteau when asked if he'd be calling the stand-by players last night.

"We will be, possibly. There is a bit of distraction going on over there with finals and so on," Deans said.

The ability of several players, such as Adam Ashley-Cooper and James O'Connor, to move into the centres could open room for a back-up No 7.

But the preference of Tapuai over Giteau would indicate the oft-denied fall-out between Deans and the veteran Wallaby is beyond repair.

After initially grave medical reports following the win against the USA, Deans was slightly more buoyant yesterday.

Anthony Fainga'a was up and about in the morning after the sickening head knock that saw him stretchered from the field, with Deans saying he could remember everything about the match and the knock.

Horne's fracture may not require surgery and McCabe's shoulder dislocation was not as dire as originally diagnosed, but Deans said no decisions about replacements would be made until tomorrow, ahead of their first session on Tuesday.

Wycliff Palu has a grade-one hamstring tear.

"They are our first preference, but it's how far you hold out. It won't be straightforward. That cumulative effect will be a consideration, with the number of injuries. We will sit down and map that out," Deans said.

Though James Horwill, O'Connor and Scott Higginbotham are expected to be fit for Russia next Saturday, Pocock remains "no certainty".

Deans admitted he had re-considered his attitude on a back-up flanker and Hodgson's experience has presumably got him ahead of Beau Robinson.

"That's one of the possibilities, to cover with a specialist seven. But it doesn't necessarily mean whoever came would go straight into the 22," Deans said.

With no risks to be taken on winger Digby Ioane (thumb) or fullback Kurtley Beale (hamstring) this week, Deans said he might struggle to find enough fit backs to face the Russians.

"It's possible in the backs it will be tight but, no, we'll be right," Deans said.

There was no panic in the Wallabies camp despite their hotel resembling a hospital ward. An outwardly unflappable Deans said such injury runs were why he ran big squads in training camps.

"It was always going to be this way. It is just the way it is, and it's part of the game," Deans said.

"That's why we prepare with a squad, and this is where your background comes forward. You can't predict, but you have to be able to cope as best as possible. We knew that we would end up going beyond (our top 30) ... and fortunately we have some background (in our reserves)."

Deans said he was pleased with the mental toughness shown by the Wallabies to overcome a shaky start and put the sword to a fired-up USA.

"The boys turned up, and maintained their intensity. The scoreboard would suggest some of these fixtures are supposedly easy, but you only have to look at the carnage to recognise that's just not the case," he said. "There is no easy route to the tryline. Even when you get to the tryline, you take a few knocks."
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Great idea. Bring in an unexperienced, uncapped player for the World Cup finals....

Unless Deans would have no intention of playing him, and then it's just pointless...
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Great idea. Bring in an unexperienced, uncapped player for the World Cup finals....

Unless Deans would have no intention of playing him, and then it's just pointless...

but it is a better option to bring someone across who he has little confidence in, who hasn't been playing for weeks .................. if Gits was really "serious" about proving his worth he would have been running around with Randwick over the last 4-6 weeks

Whoever does comes across could best hope for a bench spot against Russia, that being the case, why not roll out someone to develop?
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Giteau has been training with the Brumbies S&C coach for the past month in case of a call up...

Giteau played well this year, and has the experience required if we require a centre replacement in any of the knockout stages...
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Giteau has been training with the Brumbies S&C coach for the past month in case of a call up...

Giteau played well this year, and has the experience required if we require a centre replacement in any of the knockout stages...

It is one of my bug bears and a symptom of one of the major problems of the last 10 years of Aus rugby, too many players developed a love of training and lack the love of wanting to play a game.

The guy should have been playing ........................................ not doing laps and weights.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
It's just Sydney club rugby...

With a lucrative French contract about to begin, and Deans' youth obsessiveness I'm sure Giteau doesn't expect a call up from Deans...

Keeping in shape is all he needs to do...
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Maybe but is an attitude to me, guys like Barnes got back into form running around in"just Sydney club", I just don't understand someone who would rather do laps that play with his team
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Barnes and Horne had been playing club rugby in Sydney and they hit their straps immediately for the Wallabies.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Barnes needed to to prove he was actually capable of playing...

Giteau went back to club rugby too but it was made clear to him that he wasn't wanted by Deans...
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Average game? I though Horne was head and shoulders above Fainga'a and McCabe in that game. I know I'm not alone in that assessment.

It's such a shame he got injured again.

He definitely wasn't an improvement on McCabe, but had the potential to better Fainga'a at outside centre.

Aside from being gifted a break from Palu he didn't offer anything more in attack or defence and his passing was crud.

Really rate Horne, but I think the game proved that he's more of an outside centre.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
We get that you love McCabe.

And that you love Horne.

But yes, I rate one players good performances against New Zealand and South Africa more than an average performance against the USA.

Both are not likely to play again in this campaign though...

But I would have McCabe, Barnes, Fainga'a, Giteau, Tapaui before Horne at inside centre...

I've said it countless times that he's an excellent outside centre, and the weekend reaffirmed that for me. Would've loved to have seen him play there this weekend.
 
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