Tri Nations Game 3 New Zealand v Australia - Saturday 6 August 2011 - 3N2011

[Utility Back]

Positives, we won the 2nd half 13-14, woulda been more if it wasn't for that rubbish try to nz off the kick off, and I hate whingeing about the ref, but fark me that was a huge momentum killer.

Ioane was mad. I don't blame quade, he only played as well as was allowed.
After all the rubbish media the wallaz looked in awe of the blacks, and had no balls to take it to them in the 1st half.

We can beat them, but that was a glorious performanc from the blacks, congrats on a beautiful win for them.

 

[cyclopath]

Headless chooks in the red zone. Wallabies had the posession and and territory, but incapable of turning it into points for the majority of the match.

I thought we competed well in the set pieces at times, the rest was a thoroughly depressing affair. Are we that shit, or did they make us look that shit?

If you are a bit shit and a bit OK, you will lose 30-14 to the ABs. If you are totally shit, they'll put 50 on you. They make you look as bad as they want to, or so it seems.

 

[Larno]

Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman, Vickerman. PERSIST with him. I haven't seen a Wallaby forward ruck like that in a long time.

 

[Richo]

But you were playing the ABs.

True story.

 

[TheNextBigThing]

You don't think we competed well at times? I really don't think we were as shit as some are making out. Elsom was shit but as a team we played really well in patches. If we weren't playing the ABs we would've scored twice before HT against any other side imo. Their defence was insane.

Exactly right. We played well. They played better. I thought we were excellent at the breakdown and scrum. Our backs didn't play worse than usual they just didn't get the momentum they're used to. Digby and Sanchez both had blinders while the others were struggling to break the game open. We didn't play badly, they played better.

 

[Sandpit Fan]

Timani to no.8. Gives us potentially some grunt and another jumper. We will not see Palu in a gold jersey this year. Wallabies are a strong colts team right now.

Can't agree with Timani there. A more useful ploy would be to drop Elsom & McCalman and start Higginbotham at 6, Samo at 8. Hang on - I think I see a squadron of pigs circling the back garden...

 

[SamP]

Seeing as that's your first post it just highlights how threatened and precious you Kiwis must feel about Cooper. There's not many here that actually believe Cooper is better than Carter but you guys and your media keep trying to convince yourselves that he's not.

Firstly Aussie here mate and as if the kiwi team would feel threatened I look at Cooper as a try scoring opportunity put pressure on him and wait for the flick pass to no one in our own in goal

 

[lonhro10]

Great win by ABs...very much a 'back in your box Aussie' statement.

We were very weak at the tackle needing more than 1 man to bring them down more often than not..that combined with our ordinary line speed did us in.

Those getting stuck into QC (Quade Cooper) need to remember you take the good with the bad with him.

Higgers needs to start and maybe Ant F to get our D moving in the backline

 

[Gnostic]

I honestly believe that we will not make it past the 1/4 finals. Ireland have the team and a real game plan to beat this rubbish that Deans serves up. I have no doubt at all that the Wallabies have the players to beat anybody including the ABs, but going into a game with the only tactic is to shovel the ball side to side from one "X" factor player to the next waiting for them to make a try is just retarded. In the last three weeks we have see that this is the case with the Wallabies being incapable of building tries relying totally on fat turnover and X factor players to make the play. Contrast the ABs complete pressure game.

Deans has no idea and the Wallabies will continue to show extreme wins like against France last year and extreme losses as against Scotland, England, Samoa, ABs SA etc etc. As time goes on the losses will get worse and more regular as opponents will see how the lack of any real game plan and structure will make them vulnerable.

If Deans will not resign I hope JON says, "we just cannot re-sign you, you have failed at any reasonable/ or just plain ANY performance indicator. You have delivered nothing of appreciable value to Australian Rugby. All the "Juniors" were developed by their provinces and while you introduced them to tests, people are turning off the Wallabies now. Goodbye, thank you for your efforts, do you want a reference for the Georgia coaching job, I don't think the ABs are intertested now or ever."

 

[BarneySF]

We were doomed the moment QC (Quade Cooper) said his hero was Carlos.

 

[vidiot]

Firstly Aussie here mate and as if the kiwi team would feel threatened I look at Cooper as a try scoring opportunity put pressure on him and wait for the flick pass to no one in our own in goal

Thats Cooper. Playing catch up, he becomes redonculous. But did it cost them? No - same result, 5m scrum.

 

[No4918]

Hopefully Deans is recosidering the decision not to send Vickerman to SA.

Horwill, Kepu, Moore were all good in a poor pack. McCalman needs to go, bring Elsom to 8 and Higgers to 6. I would prefer Samo at 8 but as Elsom seems to be untouchable it isn't going to happen and he is probably better than Higgers at 8 who now has to be in the run on side. His first run made more metres than McCalman did for the match. The sooner either Slipper or Robinson gets back and Alexander goes to bench or out of the side altogether the better also.

Backs look aimless. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was MIA and McCabe was ok but they need to do far more. I'd have loved to see Fainga'a go to 12 and McCabe to 13 in the last 15 when the game was gone. Giteau would be my preference in the centres over AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at the moment. Cooper did have a bad game but not as poor as some are saying. Ioane and OConnor needed to get more touches.

 

[SamP]

We were doomed the moment QC (Quade Cooper) said his hero was Carlos.

I miss "king" carlos

 

[RedsHappy]

...Backs look aimless. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was MIA and McCabe was ok but they need to do far more. I'd have loved to see Fainga'a go to 12 and McCabe to 13 in the last 15 when the game was gone. Giteau would be my preference in the centres over AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at the moment. Cooper did have a bad game but not as poor as some are saying. Ioane and OConner needed to get more touches.

Agree. I assume everyone realises that since Graham left the Wallabies coaching team in late 2010, there is NO assigned Wallaby backs or attack specialist coach. That is correct, NONE. It's assumed that Deans, with some input from Nucifora, is personally coaching the backs and attack.

 

[AngrySeahorse]

Alright I got home from the Hunter womens rugby semis about 1/2 an hour ago to read whats been going on here. I can see this forum has been more packed than I've ever seen it. Just wanted to guage what people thought cause I was walking home from the finals listening to the game on the radio WWOS coverage and it was a pretty depressing walk on what is a lovely warm night in Newcastle.

I think I'll watch the replay and reserve my judgements till then but I did hear a comment about Ali Williams, something about "the ARU must be paying him cause he's always on the Wallabies side of the offside line", was that noticeable for those that watched it? or was it pretty much both sides?

At any rate the ABs sounded like a well oiled machine over the radio & the crowd sounded loud as. Credit to the ABs. Devo'ed for the loss but ever optimistic. I shall await the replay.

 

[Athilnaur]

Classic ABs blitzkrieg, surprised our guys bought it. Thought Nonu was superb and Smith not far behind him. Carter was superb at sniffing out overly bunched/ flat D.

All that said, that was the ABs at almost their best and we still had our chances, two tries and three pens begging. Higgers has to have bought himself a slot.

Tbh I loved that game from the ABs. Their speed was riveting, I can't remember the last time I saw them play with that intensity.

 

[Jay]

Alright I got home from the Hunter womens rugby semis about 1/2 an hour ago to read whats been going on here. I can see this forum has been more packed than I've ever seen it. Just wanted to guage what people thought cause I was walking home from the finals listening to the game on the radio WWOS coverage and it was a pretty depressing walk on what is a lovely warm night in Newcastle.

I think I'll watch the replay and reserve my judgements till then but I did hear a comment about Ali Williams, something about "the ARU must be paying him cause he's always on the Wallabies side of the offside line", was that noticeable for those that watched it? or was it pretty much both sides?

At any rate the ABs sounded like a well oiled machine over the radio & the crowd sounded loud as. Credit to the ABs. Devo'ed for the loss but ever optimistic. I shall await the replay.

He did a bit of the 'clearing past the ruck' from what I saw, but Rob Simmons seemed to have decided that's the lock's role too.

 

[Victorian Reds Fan]

It doesn't matter if you played okay, the issue is outplaying the ABs.
I thought you were comprehensively blown off the park in the first 40.

Yes, well, you have not won a WC since 1987. So...

 

[Jay]

Yes, well, you have not won a WC since 1987. So...

We have won the Tri-Nations and Bledisloe since 2002 though....

 

[Victorian Reds Fan]

We have won the Tri-Nations and Bledisloe since 2002 though....

They are not the WC.