Not sure what you mean by this Scrub.
Of course not every single Wallaby will come through 7s. It's just one pathway, but you can't disagree it's been a fairly productive one in recent times.
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Not sure what you mean by this Scrub.
Of course not every single Wallaby will come through 7s. It's just one pathway, but you can't disagree it's been a fairly productive one in recent times.
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Mark Ella (57)
I think of those Wallaby lads you mentioned all would have made it using the traditional pathways
Suppose Sevens is another pathway but probably a fairly expensive one
We also now have the NRC which is a definite pathway to Super rugby particularly as the boys are playing within the same format.
Suppose Sevens is another pathway but probably a fairly expensive one
We also now have the NRC which is a definite pathway to Super rugby particularly as the boys are playing within the same format.
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David Codey (61)
I don't buy it.
Signings in 16/17 include
Gibbon
Killing worth
Adams
Parahi
Kingston
Van der Walt
All of them are 25 or older this year, I'd suggest none of them have been signed as part of some 15's development program.
I also disagree that Gill,McMahon etc were part of some planned development program, to groom them for 15's through a stint in 7's.
The reality is, that young talented players,who are not yet ready for Super Footy are able to compete in 7's.
What pro coach is going to happily coach a losing 7's squad for the good of some unannounced development program for 15's?
I guess that shows that the reality between having our current Sevens programme where most of our players are really young and hoping it is a stepping stone to getting a Super Rugby contract is that you have to be willing to pay substantially more money if you want to keep the good ones.
If Foley, Kuridrani, Phipps, Gill etc. had been convinced to be career 7s players we'd be one of the best sides around currently.
If Foley, Kuridrani, Phipps, Gill etc. had been convinced to be career 7s players we'd be one of the best sides around currently.
I'd say that last point is entirely why Gill, McMahon, Foley etc. took a 7s contract. It was the best opportunity available at the time.
Parahi has been around the 7s squad for 7 years (apart from the brief, failed departure to the NRL). He's one of our key players now.
Of those other players, I think just about all of them are in the 7s squad because they can't get a better offer. Several of those probably shouldn't be persisted with because they're not up to it.
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Mark Ella (57)
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In respect of your penultimate paragraph isn't that what the Shute Shield and Brisbane Premier Rugby (and others) is about.
Playing the same format, cutting their teeth and making their bones in the hurley burley of said competitions.
Personally I am a great supporter of young fellows getting out there playing plenty of real rugby, not a hybrid game
In respect of your penultimate paragraph isn't that what the Shute Shield and Brisbane Premier Rugby (and others) is about.
Playing the same format, cutting their teeth and making their bones in the hurley burley of said competitions.
Personally I am a great supporter of young fellows getting out there playing plenty of real rugby, not a hybrid game
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David Codey (61)
Well of course everyone that signs the best available option for them every time.
I'm confused. What point are you making?
Yes a young side but to me the game is played too structured and all over the place, we play nothing like the other 7s teams, we keep it too close in the middle, no vision, not offloading quick enough to keep the ball constantly moving out wide.
In attack the ball needs to be a moving target and playing it width means the defence must start chasing hard which will create fatigue and some space to attack
Players not being utilised properly
They need some good forwards who can tackle up the middle instead of having one of their speedy backs wasted doing the job for them because no one else can tackle and then having those forwards on the edge waiting for the ball and then sometimes we play just half the field
We rely on Stannard all the time to do the goal kicking but we have no one else. At training all the players should all be practising doing the drop goal kicks
In attack the ball needs to be a moving target and playing it width means the defence must start chasing hard which will create fatigue and some space to attack
Players not being utilised properly
They need some good forwards who can tackle up the middle instead of having one of their speedy backs wasted doing the job for them because no one else can tackle and then having those forwards on the edge waiting for the ball and then sometimes we play just half the field
We rely on Stannard all the time to do the goal kicking but we have no one else. At training all the players should all be practising doing the drop goal kicks
That the Sevens Programme has been a stepping stone option for young players on their way to a better career in Super Rugby/Wallabies.
Whilst the ARU aren't obviously using it as a development pathway they know very well when they sign those young guys that they are very unlikely to be there for long, will most likely be a good member of the Sevens squad and will get a better offer from Super Rugby in the next couple of years that they can't/don't want to compete with.
I think it is a reality that the ARU are happy to use a certain percentage of the squad to keep players who are just outside a Super Rugby contract within the ARU professional setup. This has also applied to some more experienced players (like Kingston and McCutcheon).
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David Codey (61)
they gave Henry the ball at training for a practice kick at goal,so he tucked it under his arm and went into contact with it
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David Codey (61)
Now you're just being silly.
The ARU don't have surplus funds to warehouse players in the 7's set up because they aren't worthy of a 15's contract on their merits.
Kingston is 25 yo journeyman, who can't crack it for a spot in the current 7's match day squad.
McCutcheon 29 who subsequently retired.
And you think the ARU signed them to play 7's so they don't lose them?
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Rod McCall (65)
Our midgets again played really well when it matter most. They play like true professionals they are.
The Aus crowds was fantastic. One huge party and that's what 7s is about. Nice to see good crowds attending.
7s in SA have the very same structures we have for 15s from schoolboy level up to the Bokke.
The top players are contracted with Saru and the squad lives and practice on my door steps in Stellenbosch.
http://www.sastraining.co.za/
Now that 7s is a Olympic Sport, I thought the Aus government will invest in it like they do with other Olympic Sports.
The Aus crowds was fantastic. One huge party and that's what 7s is about. Nice to see good crowds attending.
7s in SA have the very same structures we have for 15s from schoolboy level up to the Bokke.
The top players are contracted with Saru and the squad lives and practice on my door steps in Stellenbosch.
http://www.sastraining.co.za/
Now that 7s is a Olympic Sport, I thought the Aus government will invest in it like they do with other Olympic Sports.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
They do. It's just that for ~90k per player per year you get the best women's athletes out there playing touch, or the best hockey players or swimmers etc etc
For that money you get the 1000th best footballers in Australia
That isn't what I meant at all.
I meant that the ARU is happy to throw a bone to a couple of guys who have been good servants of Australian rugby to prolong their pro rugby careers a bit. They can hold their own in the 7s squad but are clearly not amongst the best players in the squad now nor have long term benefit. Cutch has been pretty involved in charity work and presumably both of them are good team guys. When those guys became surplus to their Super Rugby team's needs the ARU managed to find them a contract.
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Mark Ella (57)
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Shit - sounds like a good example of cronyism to me. - that is, the reason why you'd give them a job
The Sevens program should be questioned altogether.
Shit - sounds like a good example of cronyism to me. - that is, the reason why you'd give them a job
The Sevens program should be questioned altogether.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
Back when Phipps, Foley, Kuridrani, Lance ect where playing 7's there wasn't the super under 20's or extended training squad at the senior super clubs.
So the 7's was a good tool to get kids in a professional environment to help them grow. Not every player they got back then was to fore fill this purpose but definitely some where. Players like Phipps and Kuridrani would have been recruited as 7's players but flourished in the professional environment and 7's proved to be a great step in their wallaby dream.
Now rugby has changed while in the past 7's only competed with the super teams for talent they now compete with NRC, under 20's and extended training squad. Players like the above mentioned are near impossible to get your hands on if you are a 7's coach as they are already involved in some program or another
As a result of this and the 7's circuit becoming so much specialised and professional across the board the aussie 7's coaches and recruitment teams have had to move away from the old ways of getting players.
It will take time but already with Ainstie and McDermott you can see a couple of kids that can make a real impact for Oz for a long time.
So the 7's was a good tool to get kids in a professional environment to help them grow. Not every player they got back then was to fore fill this purpose but definitely some where. Players like Phipps and Kuridrani would have been recruited as 7's players but flourished in the professional environment and 7's proved to be a great step in their wallaby dream.
Now rugby has changed while in the past 7's only competed with the super teams for talent they now compete with NRC, under 20's and extended training squad. Players like the above mentioned are near impossible to get your hands on if you are a 7's coach as they are already involved in some program or another
As a result of this and the 7's circuit becoming so much specialised and professional across the board the aussie 7's coaches and recruitment teams have had to move away from the old ways of getting players.
It will take time but already with Ainstie and McDermott you can see a couple of kids that can make a real impact for Oz for a long time.
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