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Super Rugby Pacific 2025

Dismal Pillock

Michael Lynagh (62)
I'm still excited for the 2025 Super Rugby season!!
You better be, the Blues time is NOW.






...... would be funny if the Blues lucied their own charlie brown football, got high off their own stash, confounded all the sky high expectations..... and wheeled out a disastrous 2010's 3-and-11 retro throwback season.

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Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
Who has the best draw this year?

If you don't have to go to Fiji or Eden park it feels like a good thing.
Rugby.com did a break down based on win %s, which ends up mostly being in line with last years table (the worse you did the harder your draw looks):

Looking at the games and where they are, Crusaders as the hardest does look to hold up - doubles against the Chiefs, Blues and Canes, a trip to Fiji with an away game against the Hurricanes immediately after then home to face the Blues. Just after the middle of the season this could break them if they have started poorly again.

Moana having all their doubles against kiwi sides is really going to hurt them too, I'm surprised they didn't get the Drua twice.

The tahs is a bit each way but might also come unstuck in the second half of the season - after an easier start the back half of the comp is tough away trips (Fiji, Perth, Canberra, Eden Park) and top teams from this year (Brumbies, Reds, Canes, Blues and Chiefs). If they're outside the 6 after the first half of the comp the pressure to chase may see them fall right away. They do get the best possible bye though - the week after the trip to Fiji, where most teams have struggled.
 

Rhino_rugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
Big chance Sione’s brothers will earn a Scottish cap as well

Big chance Sione’s brothers will earn a Scottish cap as well
That would be great to see! Sione's brothers are talented, and it wouldn’t be surprising if they followed in his footsteps and earned a cap for Scotland. Having that family connection in international rugby would be a great story, and it seems like the Tuipulotu name could become even more prominent in Scottish rugby.
They are looking forward to seeing how they progress!
 

Rhino_rugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
Joe Powell is a born and bred Canberran, who played the majority of his career at the Brumbies…
Good point! You're absolutely right—Joe Powell is Canberra-born and has spent most of his career at the Brumbies. My mistake in including him among Victorian players. Thanks for pointing that out!
 

Rhino_rugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
Rugby.com did a break down based on win %s, which ends up mostly being in line with last years table (the worse you did the harder your draw looks):

Looking at the games and where they are, Crusaders as the hardest does look to hold up - doubles against the Chiefs, Blues and Canes, a trip to Fiji with an away game against the Hurricanes immediately after then home to face the Blues. Just after the middle of the season this could break them if they have started poorly again.

Moana having all their doubles against kiwi sides is really going to hurt them too, I'm surprised they didn't get the Drua twice.

The tahs is a bit each way but might also come unstuck in the second half of the season - after an easier start the back half of the comp is tough away trips (Fiji, Perth, Canberra, Eden Park) and top teams from this year (Brumbies, Reds, Canes, Blues and Chiefs). If they're outside the 6 after the first half of the comp the pressure to chase may see them fall right away. They do get the best possible bye though - the week after the trip to Fiji, where most teams have struggled.
That’s a really sharp breakdown of the season’s dynamics! The Crusaders definitely seem to have a brutal schedule, especially with those double matchups against the Chiefs, Blues, and Hurricanes. That mid-season stretch with the Fiji trip and back-to-back matches against tough Kiwi teams could be a real test. As you said, if they start slow, it could make the rest of the season an uphill battle for them.

Moana Pasifika having to face only Kiwi teams in their doubles is definitely a tough draw. It’s strange that they don’t get the Drua twice—that could have given them a slightly better shot. They’ll need to punch above their weight if they’re going to be competitive with such a hard schedule.

As for the Waratahs, their second half of the season looks rough, especially with all those away trips and matchups against top-tier teams. They’ll really need to capitalize on the easier start. If they aren’t in a solid position by the midpoint, the pressure of the back half could derail their season. Getting the bye after the Fiji trip might be a lifesaver, though, as teams tend to struggle after playing in those conditions.
 

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
That’s a really sharp breakdown of the season’s dynamics! The Crusaders definitely seem to have a brutal schedule, especially with those double matchups against the Chiefs, Blues, and Hurricanes. That mid-season stretch with the Fiji trip and back-to-back matches against tough Kiwi teams could be a real test. As you said, if they start slow, it could make the rest of the season an uphill battle for them.

Moana Pasifika having to face only Kiwi teams in their doubles is definitely a tough draw. It’s strange that they don’t get the Drua twice—that could have given them a slightly better shot. They’ll need to punch above their weight if they’re going to be competitive with such a hard schedule.

As for the Waratahs, their second half of the season looks rough, especially with all those away trips and matchups against top-tier teams. They’ll really need to capitalize on the easier start. If they aren’t in a solid position by the midpoint, the pressure of the back half could derail their season. Getting the bye after the Fiji trip might be a lifesaver, though, as teams tend to struggle after playing in those conditions.
Is this bloke real?
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
That’s a really sharp breakdown of the season’s dynamics! The Crusaders definitely seem to have a brutal schedule, especially with those double matchups against the Chiefs, Blues, and Hurricanes. That mid-season stretch with the Fiji trip and back-to-back matches against tough Kiwi teams could be a real test. As you said, if they start slow, it could make the rest of the season an uphill battle for them.

Moana Pasifika having to face only Kiwi teams in their doubles is definitely a tough draw. It’s strange that they don’t get the Drua twice—that could have given them a slightly better shot. They’ll need to punch above their weight if they’re going to be competitive with such a hard schedule.

As for the Waratahs, their second half of the season looks rough, especially with all those away trips and matchups against top-tier teams. They’ll really need to capitalize on the easier start. If they aren’t in a solid position by the midpoint, the pressure of the back half could derail their season. Getting the bye after the Fiji trip might be a lifesaver, though, as teams tend to struggle after playing in those conditions.
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Tazzmania

Bob Loudon (25)
Did I hear someone say the Super Rugby Pacific results are one sided, just out of interest here is the weekends URC results:

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Tazzmania

Bob Loudon (25)
But weeks one and two did not involve too many of their springboks in the South African provisional teams, they only started coming back into week three properly. (Super rugby has the All Blacks participating most weeks)
 

JRugby2

Billy Sheehan (19)
So... the URC, NPC, English Premiership, Top 14, Currie Cup and are all on right now.

Meanwhile, most professional Australian rugby players haven't played any top level rugby in four months, and won't until...
Other than the NPC - all of those competitions follow the northern calendar so understandable that they are on. They also factor in weeks to play challenge and european cup games - easy to do when you have 70% of the globes rugby playing population living within a 4 hour flight of each other.

Super Rugby just needs to be longer and incorporate the same mid-season breaks and larger squads that NH teams have to cover internationals. I can't see why Super Rugby can't be paused for June/July for internationals and restarted afterwards like they do in the NH.

Hard logistically though, but making the season at least occupy the space of a full home and away draw should be a no brainer
 
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Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Other than the NPC - all of those competitions follow the northern calendar so understandable that they are on. They also factor in weeks to play challenge and european cup games - easy to do when you have 70% of the globes rugby playing population living within a 4 hour flight of each other.

Super Rugby just needs to be longer and incorporate the same mid-season breaks and larger squads that NH teams have to cover internationals. I can't see why Super Rugby can't be paused for June/July for internationals and restarted afterwards like they do in the NH.

Hard logistically though, but making the season at least occupy the space of a full home and away draw should be a no brainer


The main difference is these competitions run for significantly longer than Super Rugby, without even including the European Cup/Challenge games, but at least the Kiwis have something to fall back onto after SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) is over and they're still actually playing rugby...

SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) began in February, and the final round was at the end of May.

That's pretty, pretty... pretty sad.
 

Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
The main difference is these competitions run for significantly longer than Super Rugby, without even including the European Cup/Challenge games, but at least the Kiwis have something to fall back onto after SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) is over and they're still actually playing rugby...

SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) began in February, and the final round was at the end of May.

That's pretty, pretty... pretty sad.
I disagree, Super Rugby was at its best when it was a short, intense competition - the Super 12 was 11 rounds, if i remember correctly, with just two semi-finals and a final. It created intensity in every game, teams could hardly afford to drop a game. Super Rugby was at its worst when it became bloated and ran after the June internationals, because it felt like there was a long stretch in the middle where the games didn't mean much - they could lose a few and still challenge for the finals.

Anyway, we might have all had this conversation a million times before...
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I disagree, Super Rugby was at its best when it was a short, intense competition - the Super 12 was 11 rounds, if i remember correctly, with just two semi-finals and a final. It created intensity in every game, teams could hardly afford to drop a game. Super Rugby was at its worst when it became bloated and ran after the June internationals, because it felt like there was a long stretch in the middle where the games didn't mean much - they could lose a few and still challenge for the finals.

Anyway, we might have all had this conversation a million times before...


Nah, it's a shockingly inadequate amount of games for our elite players...

Most of them only played around four months of top level rugby, and then there's a seven month gap.

That's clearly not good enough.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
I don't think the number of games is the issue for Super Rugby..
It's an issue for Australian Rugby from a development perspective, but it doesn't necessarily improve the Super Rugby product by making the season longer
 
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