Super Rugby 2022
- Thread starter Dismal Pillock
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George Smith (75)
I don't do pro bono & I doubt you'd be willing to pay the ferryman, so to speak
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Two things stand out to me:
1. NZ v NZ: Bit smoother-flowing type games. Bit more attractive. Could be a reflection of skill level.
2. AU v AU: Bit more venom towards each other. Seems more likely for a fight to break out. Is this misdirected aggression?
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Peter Sullivan (51)
The aggression between the Australian players is why I wish it was just an AU competition, absolutely love it, every game is a chance to earn a Wallabies spot by proving you are better than the other potential test players.
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John Thornett (49)
Had brumbies/force over 50.5 that was a close one! 3 of the 4 lay outs I got pretty good weekend
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Yeah, there is something to like about the passion, but do you think it's just about earning a Wallabies spot? Not sure that the NZ players are trying any less to earn an AB spot. So it makes me think there might be more to it. What do you think?
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Sydney Middleton (9)
The reaction of the Reds players after the SRAU final last year showed how much the local derbies means to all the players.
A game that attracted forty thousand fans.
There is a market for AU games.
A game that attracted forty thousand fans.
There is a market for AU games.
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Rod McCall (65)
Absolutely, and you’ve seen it with people making remarks about Crusaders putting 50 on the Rebels and Reds in the match thread. We can’t even enjoy wins in the derby rounds of Super Rugby Pacific because it’s not beating the kiwis.
Take my back to Super Rugby AU off that’s going to be the mentality.
Rebel man
Jim Lenehan (48)
While I am in favour of Super Rugby AU, people said the same things over the last two years
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Are you suggesting there is more of a tribal allegiance to the AU teams for the players, compared to the NZ teams?
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
My fear is that the games against NZ this year, will feel like Super Rugby TT did last year.
There is an argument to be said that playing the NZ teams throughout the comp, rather than bang, bang, bang in a row at the end, would make it easier for the AU teams. And I guess we'll test that theory next year without COVID affecting things.
However, there is also an argument to be said that playing the NZ at the end, after the AU teams have warmed up, and after the NZ teams have supposedly 'beat each other up too much', should (in theory) make it easier for the AU teams.
Don't want to steer off topic, but will be interesting to see what happens at the end of this season. I'm certainly enjoying the comp ATM.
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Stats from the Aussie Teams (from the very limited ESPN and Super Rugby sites):
First chunk limited to players who played at least 40 minutes.
Defensive Players of the Round:
1. Rory Scott (Brumbies) 18 tackles @ 100% success rate
2. Harry Wilson (Reds) 16 @ 100%
3. Sam Wallis (Rebels) 15 @ 100%
4. Geoff Cridge (Waratahs) 11 @ 100 %
5 Charlie Gamble (Waratahs) & Folau Fainga'a (Brumbies) 10 @ 100%
Biggest Attacking Influence ((Clean Breaks + Defenders Beaten + Offloads + Try Assists) x Metres/Run):
1. Jake Gordon (Waratahs) 144.20 (whatever, just see it as an indicator)
2. Tom Wright (Brumbies 77.71
3. Jock Campbell (Reds) 48.86
4. Manasa Matele (Force) 47.09
5. Tom Banks (Brumbies) 31.50
Biggest Game Disrupter (Minutes Played / (Clean Breaks + Defenders Beaten + Offloads + Turnovers Won + Line Out Steals)):
So basically who makes shit happen the most regularly!
1. Jock Campbell (Reds) 8.89 (basically does something game breaking just under every 9 minutes)
2. Tom Wright (Brumbies) & Matt Philip (Rebels) 10.00
4. Jake Gordon (Waratahs) 11.29
5. Manasa Matele (Force) & Izaia Perese (Waratahs) 11.43
Work Rate (Minutes Played / (Runs + Turn Overs Won + Tackled):
1. Harry Wilson (Reds) 2.42 (does one of the above every just under 3 minutes)
2. Sam Wallis (Rebels) 2.70
3. Fraser McReight (Reds) 2.86
4. Angus Scott-Young (Reds) 3.18
5. Jordan Uelese (Rebels) 3.21
Uh Oh (Minutes Played / (Turn Over Conceded + Missed Tackle + Penalties Conceded + (Yellow Card x 2) + (Red Card x 5)):
1. Reece Hodge (Rebels) & Taniela Tupou (Reds) 8.33 (stuffed up something every 8 minutes)
3. Jed Holloway (Waratahs) 11.43
4. Cadyrn Neville (Brumbies) 12.25
5. Angus Scott-Young (Reds) 14.00
Impact off the bench (Basically the Game Disrupter one but only for those who played at least 10 minutes from the bench):
1. Jake McIntyre (Force) 6.50
2. Ollie Callan (Force) & Young Tanumaipea (Rebels) 10
4. Zane Nonggorr (Reds) 10.50
5. Tamati Ioane (Rebels) & Tane Edmed (Waratahs) 13
First chunk limited to players who played at least 40 minutes.
Defensive Players of the Round:
1. Rory Scott (Brumbies) 18 tackles @ 100% success rate
2. Harry Wilson (Reds) 16 @ 100%
3. Sam Wallis (Rebels) 15 @ 100%
4. Geoff Cridge (Waratahs) 11 @ 100 %
5 Charlie Gamble (Waratahs) & Folau Fainga'a (Brumbies) 10 @ 100%
Biggest Attacking Influence ((Clean Breaks + Defenders Beaten + Offloads + Try Assists) x Metres/Run):
1. Jake Gordon (Waratahs) 144.20 (whatever, just see it as an indicator)
2. Tom Wright (Brumbies 77.71
3. Jock Campbell (Reds) 48.86
4. Manasa Matele (Force) 47.09
5. Tom Banks (Brumbies) 31.50
Biggest Game Disrupter (Minutes Played / (Clean Breaks + Defenders Beaten + Offloads + Turnovers Won + Line Out Steals)):
So basically who makes shit happen the most regularly!
1. Jock Campbell (Reds) 8.89 (basically does something game breaking just under every 9 minutes)
2. Tom Wright (Brumbies) & Matt Philip (Rebels) 10.00
4. Jake Gordon (Waratahs) 11.29
5. Manasa Matele (Force) & Izaia Perese (Waratahs) 11.43
Work Rate (Minutes Played / (Runs + Turn Overs Won + Tackled):
1. Harry Wilson (Reds) 2.42 (does one of the above every just under 3 minutes)
2. Sam Wallis (Rebels) 2.70
3. Fraser McReight (Reds) 2.86
4. Angus Scott-Young (Reds) 3.18
5. Jordan Uelese (Rebels) 3.21
Uh Oh (Minutes Played / (Turn Over Conceded + Missed Tackle + Penalties Conceded + (Yellow Card x 2) + (Red Card x 5)):
1. Reece Hodge (Rebels) & Taniela Tupou (Reds) 8.33 (stuffed up something every 8 minutes)
3. Jed Holloway (Waratahs) 11.43
4. Cadyrn Neville (Brumbies) 12.25
5. Angus Scott-Young (Reds) 14.00
Impact off the bench (Basically the Game Disrupter one but only for those who played at least 10 minutes from the bench):
1. Jake McIntyre (Force) 6.50
2. Ollie Callan (Force) & Young Tanumaipea (Rebels) 10
4. Zane Nonggorr (Reds) 10.50
5. Tamati Ioane (Rebels) & Tane Edmed (Waratahs) 13
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
I thought Tamati Ioane was especially impressive off the bench.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
So you obviously never saw the reaction when the Tahs beat Crusaders in final a few years back, or when Reds did same, I gthink the reaction just comes from winning the comp.
Dismal Pillock
David Codey (61)
Plus he scored that spectacular unsighted reaching try for the ".....tell me to go away and 'work on my footwork' then ya f***** c****s....." trifecta.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Having no crowd in NZ probably doesn't either. The games feel like they lack a bit of intensity without a rabid crowd
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Mate people can say what they like about what scores are going to be in a match thread, it's all shit, cannot see Reds getting 50 points put on them by anyone.
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
Good work Reg, love the insight. That explains my negative scores for Tupou on fantasy rugby.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
I think it throws some doubt on the selection of Tupou in the Team of the week and a query on the non-selection of Harry Wilson.
Wilson
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Everyone has their own read on team of the week selections and they aren't all purely stat based. Personally I selected Tupou for his involvements at key moments and big plays produced - his try, a couple of scrum penalties/scrum dominance at key moments and a really key chase to secure a kick down field from Daugunu stood out. Not sure where you get the non-selection of Harry Wilson from, he's at 8 in every team of the week I've seen so far, here or otherwise.
I'd suggest the idea that certain teams should be almost entirely overlooked based on their opposition is much more questionable, particularly in the first round of a competition.
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