SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) 2023 General Chat

[Dan54]

Where you have to rest players by agreement, logic suggests that you rest your players for an away game involving a chunk of travel and play them in the home game in front of your fans who want to see all the best players.

Sure you could opt for the reverse but you risk losing the game against the weaker opposition and you annoy your fans who don't get to see the test stars play.

Fair enough reasoning BH, I jsu go by the idea it's important to do what you can to win the comp, and trying to knock over Crusaders would be in my opinion more important to Brumbies fans than seeing their test stars against MP (Moana Pasifika).

Mind you . and now someone will tell me what a good crowd they had last week ( I don't know what it was) and prove how little I know anyway!!

 

[qwerty51]

NZ and Aus teams aren't impacted by injuries/resting in the same way.

The top 15 players for each side are much closer than the 16-30 players. We see this all the time when the benches come on too.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Fair enough reasoning BH, I jsu go by the idea it's important to do what you can to win the comp, and trying to knock over Crusaders would be in my opinion more important to Brumbies fans than seeing their test stars against MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika).

Mind you . and now someone will tell me what a good crowd they had last week ( I don't know what it was) and prove how little I know anyway!!

Or you can rest players against Fiji, and weaken the side already suffering injuries, and have them hand you your arses. But of course, because it was the Crusaders, that's ok, hey?

 

[Dan54]

Or you can rest players against Fiji, and weaken the side already suffering injuries, and have them hand you your arses. But of course, because it was the Crusaders, that's ok, hey?

No BR I was suggesting that players could of been rested last week, against MP (Moana Pasifika), I wouldn't suggest too many against Drua, especially if you play them in Fiji. Just if I was coaching Brumbies or any team, I would be thinking if we knock the Crusaders over, we put ourselves in with a better chance to get home knockout games. It just seems a little negative to me is all, and perhaps just because I'm a fan of trying to finish as high up the ladder as possible, I think as a fan you would prefer that wouldn't you.
If they rested players against MP (Moana Pasifika) last week, they would get to bye within the required 5 weeks, so wouldn't of needed another rest week for them until after that, then rest a few against Force and you can pretty well see you through to knockouts!

 

[Braveheart81]

No BR I was suggesting that players could of been rested last week, against MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika), I wouldn't suggest too many against Drua, especially if you play them in Fiji. Just if I was coaching Brumbies or any team, I would be thinking if we knock the Crusaders over, we put ourselves in with a better chance to get home knockout games. It just seems a little negative to me is all, and perhaps just because I'm a fan of trying to finish as high up the ladder as possible, I think as a fan you would prefer that wouldn't you.
If they rested players against MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika) last week, they would get to bye within the required 5 weeks, so wouldn't of needed another rest week for them until after that, then rest a few against Force and you can pretty well see you through to knockouts!

He's referring to the fact that the Crusaders rested players against the Drua in Fiji and lost.

 

[Tomthumb]

You are kidding, the Crusaders are decimated with injuries, and here is a chance to make it hard for them to get home semis etc. Thay could of rested players against MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika) last week surely.

I was joking, I dont think they have no chance. Hell Lonergan is a better player then White so far this year

 

[Brumby Runner]

No BR I was suggesting that players could of been rested last week, against MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika), I wouldn't suggest too many against Drua, especially if you play them in Fiji. Just if I was coaching Brumbies or any team, I would be thinking if we knock the Crusaders over, we put ourselves in with a better chance to get home knockout games. It just seems a little negative to me is all, and perhaps just because I'm a fan of trying to finish as high up the ladder as possible, I think as a fan you would prefer that wouldn't you.
If they rested players against MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika) last week, they would get to bye within the required 5 weeks, so wouldn't of needed another rest week for them until after that, then rest a few against Force and you can pretty well see you through to knockouts!

You have missed my meaning Dan. I wasn't suggesting the Brumbies should rest their players against Fiji. I was simply commenting on the situation where the Crusaders did that and were unexpectedly beaten*. The same thing could easily have resulted had the Brumbies rested 4 or 5 players against Moana last week.

I think it is more likely the Brumbies will finish higher on the ladder by beating Moana and perhaps losing to the Crusaders than to have possibly lost the two games. I'm sure with a bit of time to reconsider, most would come to that same conclusion.

*EDIT - as Braveheart says.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

You have missed my meaning Dan.

LOL where have I read that before.....

 

[Dan54]

You have missed my meaning Dan. I wasn't suggesting the Brumbies should rest their players against Fiji. I was simply commenting on the situation where the Crusaders did that and were unexpectedly beaten*. The same thing could easily have resulted had the Brumbies rested 4 or 5 players against Moana last week.

I think it is more likely the Brumbies will finish higher on the ladder by beating Moana and perhaps losing to the Crusaders than to have possibly lost the two games. I'm sure with a bit of time to reconsider, most would come to that same conclusion.

*EDIT - as Braveheart says.

Sorry mate, I get what you mean now (hell a man's brain ain't what it used to be ) ,anyway I think the Brumbies would of beaten MP (Moana Pasifika) while resting those players in a home game , which I would suggest is a fairly different bucket of fish then playing Drua in Fiji (as Crusdaers did), but also see you point about banking what are reasonably sure points to secure your ladder position. Just a thing with me , I would be mightily pissed if the Canes decided to rest top players against the likes of Crusaders, Brumbies etc as I want them to beat top teams where they can, not only putting them further up ladder, but put hard teams further down and lessen risk of playing them at their home ground in knock outs etc. (And I admit I wouldn't be great coach as I would go at every game possible anyway, and not maybe look at full picture)

 

[Brumby Runner]

Sorry mate, I get what you mean now (hell a man's brain ain't what it used to be ) ,anyway I think the Brumbies would of beaten MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika) while resting those players in a home game , which I would suggest is a fairly different bucket of fish then playing Drua in Fiji (as Crusdaers did), but also see you point about banking what are reasonably sure points to secure your ladder position. Just a thing with me , I would be mightily pissed if the Canes decided to rest top players against the likes of Crusaders, Brumbies etc as I want them to beat top teams where they can, not only putting them further up ladder, but put hard teams further down and lessen risk of playing them at their home ground in knock outs etc. (And I admit I wouldn't be great coach as I would go at every game possible anyway, and not maybe look at full picture)

I understand your sentiment Dan and ordinarily I'd agree, but not with the enforced player stand downs, which in the Australian context hit the Brumbies a lot harder than the other teams.

 

[Slim 293]

Sorry mate, I get what you mean now (hell a man's brain ain't what it used to be ) ,anyway I think the Brumbies would of beaten MP (Moana Pasifika) (Moana Pasifika) while resting those players in a home game , which I would suggest is a fairly different bucket of fish then playing Drua in Fiji (as Crusdaers did), but also see you point about banking what are reasonably sure points to secure your ladder position. Just a thing with me , I would be mightily pissed if the Canes decided to rest top players against the likes of Crusaders, Brumbies etc as I want them to beat top teams where they can, not only putting them further up ladder, but put hard teams further down and lessen risk of playing them at their home ground in knock outs etc. (And I admit I wouldn't be great coach as I would go at every game possible anyway, and not maybe look at full picture)

The Brumbies had a three week window for resting players, and they chose this week as the other two games were at home including the Tahs match...

The Brumbies, by virtue of their dominance in recent years, have been hardest hit by the requirements. Overall, nine players will miss two games and not be permitted to play more than five consecutive weeks.

With the bye in round nine, Larkham had a three-week window for the first rest cycle. Last Saturday's home game against Moana Pasifika, the Canterbury Crusaders on Friday and next week's showdown with the Waratahs in Canberra.

While there was no easy choice, the Crusaders emerged as the best option.

A trip to New Zealand on the back of a short turnaround and wedged in between two home games, it was always going to be a tough assignment.

The news surprised some fans. Surely last week's clash against Super Rugby newcomers Moana was a better option?

Given the Brumbies lost to Moana last year, it was not an automatic victory and resting players would have robbed the club's fans the opportunity to watch the team's best players at home.

Larkham confident resting strategy will pay dividends

Coach forced to balance load management with quest for Brumbies glory

www.canberratimes.com.au

 

[Dan54]

And to be honest when you (or I) think about it, I suppose the Wallaby rests are planned in by coaching staff at beginning of year, so maybe weren't to know the Crusaders were going to be so vunerable.

 

[Adam84]

Echoes sentiment of comments made earlier, the Moana Pasifika team just doesn’t resonate. Why aren’t they playing in Tonga or Samoa? Why do they seem to be a puppet team of NZ? Surely this isn’t what World Rugby gave funding for, to support NZs 6th team

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[LeCheese]

Echoes sentiment of comments made earlier, the Moana Pasifika team just doesn’t resonate. Why aren’t they playing in Tonga or Samoa? Why do they seem to be a puppet team of NZ? Surely this isn’t what World Rugby gave funding for, to support NZs 6th team

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Absolutely. Many, if not all, of the players understandably embrace and are enamoured by the Pasifika culture being the central tenet of the club - it's a shame the powers that be have not done the same.

 

[Doritos Day]

Echoes sentiment of comments made earlier, the Moana Pasifika team just doesn’t resonate. Why aren’t they playing in Tonga or Samoa? Why do they seem to be a puppet team of NZ? Surely this isn’t what World Rugby gave funding for, to support NZs 6th team

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There is no reason to watch MP (Moana Pasifika) games especially compared to the Drua who put on a great show at home and seem to have more of an identity about them.

 

[Dan54]

Echoes sentiment of comments made earlier, the Moana Pasifika team just doesn’t resonate. Why aren’t they playing in Tonga or Samoa? Why do they seem to be a puppet team of NZ? Surely this isn’t what World Rugby gave funding for, to support NZs 6th team

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Like most I agree would be great to see them play home games in Islands, and be based there actually, but where? Problem is seems to be facilities as well as not being a one island team, they could be in Samoa,Tong or Fiji. Not even sure what playing grounds would work for travelling there for home games.

 

[HogansHeros]

TONGA

Teufaiva Sport Stadium which was previously known as Tenefaira Field Stadium is a multi-purpose stadium in Nukuʻalofa, Tonga. It is used mostly for rugby union, football and rugby league and the Ikale Tahi team matches. The stadium holds 10,000 people. It is the home ground of the Tonga national rugby union team.


SAMOA

Apia Park is a multi-function sports complex located in Apia, the capital of Samoa. Primarily used for rugby union events, Apia Park is the home stadium of the Samoa national rugby union team, Manu Samoa. It is also a venue for association football. Manuma Samoa use the venue for rugby union matches. Capacity 12000

 

[HogansHeros]

TONGA


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Teufaiva Sport Stadium which was previously known as Tenefaira Field Stadium is a multi-purpose stadium in Nukuʻalofa, Tonga. It is used mostly for rugby union, football and rugby league and the Ikale Tahi team matches. The stadium holds 10,000 people. It is the home ground of the Tonga national rugby union team.


SAMOA

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Apia Park is a multi-function sports complex located in Apia, the capital of Samoa. Primarily used for rugby union events, Apia Park is the home stadium of the Samoa national rugby union team, Manu Samoa. It is also a venue for association football. Manuma Samoa use the venue for rugby union matches. Capacity 12000

Literally just play 1 game in each of these stadiums, so Tongans and Samoans can watch "their" team....

 

[Dctarget]

Literally just play 1 game in each of these stadiums, so Tongans and Samoans can watch "their" team....

The home games in Fiji look incredible. Definitely going straight to the top of the bucket list. I'd imagine Samoa & Tonga would be similar.

 

[Dan54]

Literally just play 1 game in each of these stadiums, so Tongans and Samoans can watch "their" team....

Be great idea, surprised there not been some moves in that direction, maybe waiting for sponsors? Surely the MP (Moana Pasifika) management looking at something.