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Springbokke vs Pumas

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Shelts89

Tom Lawton (22)
just watched replay, wonder what the roid testing is like at this level, that Argie hooker looks like some sort of HGH petris dish these days.

Really? Considering the likes of Pocock, North etc are probably bigger, faster and leaner than him that seems like a strange claim. I'm not considering that either of those players mentioned are taking anything, just the first examples of superb physiques that came to my mind.

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I am quite impressed with how well he has stepped up to the standard of international rugby since he spent the last year playing in the English Championship (our 2nd division) for Worcester.
 

saulityvi

Syd Malcolm (24)
Really? Considering the likes of Pocock, North etc are probably bigger, faster and leaner than him that seems like a strange claim. I'm not considering that either of those players mentioned are taking anything, just the first examples of superb physiques that came to my mind.

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I am quite impressed with how well he has stepped up to the standard of international rugby since he spent the last year playing in the English Championship (our 2nd division) for Worcester.
We just had a laugh with a mate about Creevy, I mean a player of his calibre should be on a 500k eur/season contract in France.
 

saulityvi

Syd Malcolm (24)
How many non-whites were the on saturday? Habana, Nyakane, Beast, has de Allende just got a killer tan, or has black heritage? Mwowo?
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
Rather Australian perspective though isn't it. Not-White = Black. Is SARUs perspective Not-Black = White?

I'm not defending it in any way shape or form, but It's an interesting thing for me to think about.
 

Dewald Nel

Cyril Towers (30)
Rather Australian perspective though isn't it. Not-White = Black. Is SARUs perspective Not-Black = White?

I'm not defending it in any way shape or form, but It's an interesting thing for me to think about.


Indeed. The criteria used to be "non-white". Now it's "black African", i.e. Nyakane = yes, Habana = no.

Not that it matters to me, all 15 can be black as long as they're all better than any other players in the country, which isn't the case. Some are, of course. But 5 black players claiming they're being sidelined due to color? I can't think of 5 black African players that are good enough to even be in the squad. Ironically, our best black African is a Zimbo and in the starting line-up.

Pathetic. Which other country blames the minority for their failures as a whole, and needs political intervention to get them anywhere, in a sport 99% of them aren't even interested in to begin with? It's getting old, and it really is time that they just take it all and stop giving us false hope.

They'd rather have the worst team in the world and have it "demographically representative" than having a shot at winning the world cup with the best 15 available. I have no words.
 

Dewald Nel

Cyril Towers (30)
Only 1 non-whie would make my full strength 15.


Black Africans = 1 - Beast, who is a Zimbo.
Non-whites = 4 - De Allende, Habana, Beast, and either Fredericks or Pietersen.

On a side note, I hope to never see Kriel on the wing again. He is a natural born centre.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I think Beast is there on colour, I'd be playing the ranga. Habana can go. Le Roux and Hendricks on the wing with Lambie at fullback. JdV in for de Allende who can't tackle (full strength side).
 

PiXeL_Ninja

Bill Watson (15)
With the RWC circus coming round, BBBEE candidates with entitlement issues have their eyes firmly affixed on the Match Day fees. I and many other supporters have already given up on SA Cricket due to their racist policies. SA Rugby is teetering on the edge too - Perilously close to losing it's golden goose.

As if it isn't already tough enough to beat the AB's & Wallabies, we have to do it carrying passengers in the team as well?

As much as I love the sport I will walk away from it financially, cancelling my DSTV, wont purchase merchandise, go to the games etc. The Fan base will eventually follow as well.
 

Dewald Nel

Cyril Towers (30)
With the RWC circus coming round, BBBEE candidates with entitlement issues have their eyes firmly affixed on the Match Day fees. I and many other supporters have already given up on SA Cricket due to their racist policies. SA Rugby is teetering on the edge too - Perilously close to losing it's golden goose.

As if it isn't already tough enough to beat the AB's & Wallabies, we have to do it carrying passengers in the team as well?

As much as I love the sport I will walk away from it financially, cancelling my DSTV, wont purchase merchandise, go to the games etc. The Fan base will eventually follow as well.


Exactly same here - after the WC semi final fiasco, I haven't watched a single moment's play where we were involved, I have no motivation to do it either.

Now after this with the rugby and the crap coming for the next world cup(something like 7 black players demanded or something), I see no point.
 

PiXeL_Ninja

Bill Watson (15)
Yeah, I think that once we become easy beats our SANZAR-ARG partners may become pissed off at us fielding substandard superrugby/test teams and may look to move elsewhere. If the supporter base in SA dwindles and as a result SARU stop bringing in the bulk of the $, we will be dropped by NZAR quick-quick.

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PiXeL_Ninja

Bill Watson (15)
Apparently the reason we did badly over the weekend is because there were only 2 black players in the starting team. Also we should take note of the performance this week when more black players are included. Read more here if you can be bothered: http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Cosatu-condemns-racist-choices-of-SA-Rugby-20150811

The lack of black players in SA rugby teams have reached a crisis, with the latest choices of the team that lost to the Argentinians over the weekend. The team only had 2 black South African players in the starting line up. No other team could possibly perform worse than this team and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentinia. The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams. When we have clearly seen that the most mixed team [Stormers] had performed the best of all the SA teams in the Super 15 competition.
The coach played many of the white players out of their positions as he put them into specialist positions, where clearly there were black players available. When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late. This adds insult to injury as the coach ignores the form players of the year as well as the form teams of the year in favour of his personal preferences. This Coach does not have the National interest at heart and demonstrates a sense of arrogance in disregarding the interest of the majority of South Africans, by treating SA rugby as his private fiefdom.
This coach has been the worst performing coach of all time over this tournament and yet not a word is spoken about this. When Coach De Villiers led the team the white establishment was quick to criticise him, yet there is a deafening silence now. There is a white cabal who still tries to control the Rugby team and who gets to play in it. They must be told in no uncertain terms that this Springbok team belongs to all South Africans and should reflect all South Africans.
There is a practice of reverse affirmative action in Rugby, where certain positions are still maintained for the white players. This maintenance and control of the white establishment is reflected in who gets the most lucrative contracts and who gets to continue on in the sport in leadership and administrative positions. Black Players have come to Cosatu to take up these issues for them, as they are often victimised when they raise it with the Rugby association. The Rugby establishment defends the privileged position of white players and the Captain Jean De Villiers is an example of this. Any other player anywhere else in the world would have to play himself back into the team after such a long absence, yet he gets to just walk back into the team, when he is clearly not the form player.
Cosatu calls on the Minister and the leadership of Rugby to stop pandering to this racist white interest represented and led by the Coach. We want the Coach removed and a more representative team selected that represents all the people of South Africa. We need to get the nation behind the team and we certainly have a difficulty supporting a white team, when there are so many black players who are the form players in so many positions, excluded.
This Rugby World Cup, Cosatu and the democratic sporting fraternity will take a stand against white control, domination and manipulation of the Rugby squad. We will make the issue about the exclusion of black players an International campaign to expose how certain sectors of South Africa refuses to transform, in line with the National ambition.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Rather Australian perspective though isn't it. Not-White = Black. Is SARUs perspective Not-Black = White?

I'm not defending it in any way shape or form, but It's an interesting thing for me to think about.

It is infinitely more complex than the racial issues we face in Australia.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
That's something that's self evident, yet I managed to overlook it entirely.

Still, to force a team into picking Black players seems like band aid solution to problems that probably stem right from juniors through to Provincial level.
 

Dewald Nel

Cyril Towers (30)
That's something that's self evident, yet I managed to overlook it entirely.

Still, to force a team into picking Black players seems like band aid solution to problems that probably stem right from juniors through to Provincial level.


That's well summed up, actually.

The worst is the fact that they want to give as little financial input as possible from grassroots(rugby isn't even played in the majority of black schools here), yet they want the white man to fix the problems they as politicians cause, by the white man punishing himself.
 
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