South African referees want to take action against Bryce Lawrence

[Inside Shoulder]

So you obvious dont get it. Did you ever saw any of the refs just below S15 level reffing? M Lawrense wont stop reffing at S15 or CC level and will be task just to prove you wrong, helping and coaching these younger lot.

SA refs on national level dont help our cause in any way. We are stuck with the NH shite because ONeil and Tew dont have the same structures and competitions bringing refs through. Aus dont have the competitions and have to send them here or to NPC , who draw 7,000 supporters to their final while Aus its club below S15. OurVarsity Cup or schoolboy matches draw more spectators then the NPC. You want them to experiense bigger crowds and live TV to bring them through, no vokken exam paper helps the real thing.

If you dont agree that SA with Watson isnt leading the rugby world in ref standards, your living in a third world of rugby and your talking about ref cycle is nothing more then a pile of bull shite.

Could it be that one reason we struggle to get refs here is that some are put off by the bollocking they get...it cant help when on of their brethren joins in

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

SA have better refs. Rugby is a bigger sport over there. We are doing well considering our much smaller rugby base. And we are slowly getting better, what more do people want?

 

[DPK]

Comparing this to the Aus panels
Australian HPU Referee Structure:
National Programs Manager - Anthony Eddy
HPU National Referee Coach - Andrew Cole
Referee Administrator - Kelly Swan
National Referee Selectors - Wayne Erickson, Andrew Cole, Scott Young
National Referee Coaches - Andrew Cole, Mick Tanzer, John McCarthy
National A Panel - Stuart Dickinson, Nathan Pearce, Steve Walsh, Ian Smith
National B Panel - Angus Gardner, Steve Hardy, Stephen Hill, James Leckie, Andrew lees, Damien Mitchelmore, Simon Moore, Julian Pritchard
Television Match Official - George Ayoub, Matt Goddard, Steve Leszczynski

and you get the differense and the reason why Australia struggling with refs and SA leading the world stage.

Bolded is the reason you've contradicted yourself, Paarl. Gorgeous George, the hardest working man in Rugby Union.

 

[PaarlBok]

Could it be that one reason we struggle to get refs here is that some are put off by the bollocking they get...it cant help when on of their brethren joins in

I dont think so Boet. Aus obvious dont provide them with the same oppertunities compare to SA to get them on national level. Pretty sure if you want to get to the S15 level Sanzar have spesific requirements of experiense too qualify. Good idea for Aus rugby board is to send more aspiring refs to ref at CC level. The more you get to S15 level, the more can go to the top.

That cycle remark is like trying to kill fires when they started iso doing something to prevent it starting and that is to give them the best enviroment and experiense to perform at top level.

 

[PaarlBok]

SA have better refs. Rugby is a bigger sport over there. We are doing well considering our much smaller rugby base. And we are slowly getting better, what more do people want?

We are SH broers and play under the Sanzar embrella making us one force. Just as S15 rugby in the three countries feed each other in the player stakes, it should be easier to do the same with refs. I have been watching our CC and hoping to see some Aus and Kiwi refs doing the good thing and get some experiense on a lower level. Despite the WC we still draw 30,000 crowds to our CC and trust me our Willie Roose get a glass of brandy and coke in their faces if they perform like shite.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

We are SH broers and play under the Sanzar embrella making us one force. Just as S15 rugby in the three countries feed each other in the player stakes, it should be easier to do the same with refs. I have been watching our CC and hoping to see some Aus and Kiwi refs doing the good thing and get some experiense on a lower level. Despite the WC we still draw 30,000 crowds to our CC and trust me our Willie Roose get a glass of brandy and coke in their faces if they perform like shite.

that should show them who's boss.....

 

[PaarlBok]

I find it quite ironic that Andre watson is leading the charge against Bryce Lawrence here. This is the same Andre Watson that single handedly kept Australia in the 2003 final with his dubious scrum penalties.

There was a big enough outcry even though England won, imagine if they lost!

Paddy O Brien leads from the front with standards set. By the way what have Watson one poor performance as a ref have anything to do with the current job he does?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Paddy O Brien leads from the front with standards set. By the way what have Watson one poor performance as a ref have anything to do with the current job he does?

apart from the fact that (a) it was by no means his only sheisenhausen performance and (b) presumably his test refereeing career had something to do with the position he presently occupies - absolutely nothing at all.
Isnt there a Gold and Green Forum - I'm sure its better than the weak and underdeveloped Australian version

 

[Mank]

apart from the fact that (a) it was by no means his only sheisenhausen performance and (b) presumably his test refereeing career had something to do with the position he presently occupies - absolutely nothing at all.
Isnt there a Gold and Green Forum - I'm sure its better than the weak and underdeveloped Australian version

I never notice South Africans on this website directing nationalist insults at Aussies. I do notice it the other way round though. Why don't you play the ball rather than the man?

 

[Mank]

It would appear that I have missed the mark: my hopeful expressions of common good will were misplaced. South Africans would clearly prefer that there be attacks on referees.

Set yourself up as the just, the righteous, the corrector of wrongdoer South Africans. Nice work.

The rest of your stuff is reading into the comments with an agenda. I highly doubt you give a crap what people in general say about refs, you're more intent on making 'the other side' (in this case South Africans) look like they're in the wrong. No point in discussing anything with you.

 

[PaarlBok]

Set yourself up as the just, the righteous, the corrector of wrongdoer South Africans. Nice work.

The rest of your stuff is reading into the comments with an agenda. I highly doubt you give a crap what people in general say about refs, you're more intent on making 'the other side' (in this case South Africans) look like they're in the wrong. No point in discussing anything with you.

Agree Boet, he is official on my ignore list. Wont waiste space replying in future.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I never notice South Africans on this website directing nationalist insults at Aussies. I do notice it the other way round though. Why don't you play the ball rather than the man?

Don't believe I played the man. I tired of the condescension and the constant assertion of the superiority of everything South African as a justification for Watson's comments.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Set yourself up as the just, the righteous, the corrector of wrongdoer South Africans. Nice work.

The rest of your stuff is reading into the comments with an agenda. I highly doubt you give a crap what people in general say about refs, you're more intent on making 'the other side' (in this case South Africans) look like they're in the wrong. No point in discussing anything with you.

I gather you dont want a discussion...if you do you will have to explain the meaning of "reading into the comments with an agenda" and "the corrector of wrongdoer South Africans" because they do not make sense to me.
You're right that I dont generally give a crap about what people say about refs. I do give a crap when a bloke who was merely doing his best - there being no serious suggestion he cheated - is pilloried by more than 70,000 people for merely trying to do his best. Why does he deserve to be treated like this? It is only a game.....its not a mater of life and death.
I frankly dont see that anyone from any country could condone the way Lawrence has been treated, including by Andre Watson. I would love to have it explained to me what right Watson has to say it and why it is a good idea for him to say it publicly - why couldn't he just speak to Paddy O'Brien in private: that would have been the decent and proper thing to do.

Edit: my god you actually replied to post #48 (#49) quoting "Much as I have been critical of him and other refs in the past I reckon we, the passionate rugby following public, should take a stand."...have you got short term memory issues?

Over and out.

 

[proton]

Bryce Lawrence Australian of the year. It happens to all of us. Remember the gold watch SA. You should have given him one before the game. Take it on the chin see you in 4 years. SA had the chance regardless of the referreeing to take points but they showed Aussie no respect and went for tries instead.

 

[Groucho]

'Bent' science cost Boks

Cape Town - Just as the dust started to settle on the unsuccessful defence by the Springboks of their Rugby World Cup title, respected sports science guru, Professor Tim Noakes has dropped another bombshell.

In a letter addressed to the Cape Times, Noakes suggested that the result of the World Cup quarter-final between South Africa and Australia was predetermined as a result of what he called 'bent' science.

“When science is manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome, it’s called 'bent' science. Such science is usually directed by large commercial interest. When the outcome of a sporting event is predetermined, we call it ‘match-fixing,’ Noakes wrote in the letter.

“I am not saying that there was match-fixing, I am saying that the IRB must prove there wasn’t,” Noakes added.

Noakes lamented that South Africans have been unjustly robbed of their World Cup crown and based on the evidence of the match, he does not have a doubt that referee, Bryce Lawrence was benefitting from the outcome of the match.

“Referee (Bryce) Lawrence’s selective inability to apply to the illegal actions of one team, the accepted rugby laws in at least three areas of the game can unfortunately be interpreted in only one way - that he was benefitting from it personally by ensuring that the Wallabies would win this ‘bent’ game,” Noakes added.

"I think an injustice has been done and South Africa as a nation deserves the truth."

Noakes went onto say that match fixing should not be ruled out as a possibility in rugby as it is already prevalent in cricket as well as football.

“The tragedy of this travesty is that it has undermined the legitimacy of the 2011 Rugby World Cup and has done severe damage to the credibility of the IRB. But worse, it has also robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality by winning back-to-back RWC’s.”

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyWorldCup2011/Noakes-Bent-science-cost-Boks-20111014

Incendiary stuff - it'll be surprising if he isn't sued for that: easy money for Lawrence since the onus of proof in libel is on the defendant.

 

[da_grubster]

Paddy O Brien leads from the front with standards set. By the way what have Watson one poor performance as a ref have anything to do with the current job he does?

He should keep his mouth shut as he is being hypocritical. He nearly threw a world cup final with his refereeing interpretation

 

[Swat]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyWorldCup2011/Noakes-Bent-science-cost-Boks-20111014

Incendiary stuff - it'll be surprising if he isn't sued for that: easy money for Lawrence since the onus of proof in libel is on the defendant.

Aren't scientists supposed to be impartial? This is getting beyond a joke. Get over it South Africa it's just a game

 

[PaarlBok]

He should keep his mouth shut as he is being hypocritical. He nearly threw a world cup final with his refereeing interpretation

Dont you read? Paddy teached him.

 

[da_grubster]

Dont you read? Paddy teached him.

Oh, I can read. I just don't know what you are trying to say..

 

[Swat]

Dont you read? Paddy teached him.

Nice irony