Shute Shield 2012

[RugbyReg]

Will this person be employed by the NSWRU? It seems so. But I thought the Sydney RU ran the Club comp down there?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Its mind boggling - its worse now than it was 30 years ago

 

[Keithy]

Looks exactly like Bill Clinton's intern request. Wonder if our Dear Leader will get the same result as Bill.

 

[Empire]

Has anyone heard any further news regarding the Vikings joining (re-joining?) the Shute Shield. Word around is that they are very keen, and their 'vrugby' academy will form the basis for a squad to play in Sydney.

Whilst I'm all for a team looking for a challenge, one wonders if they actually do alright whether Sydney will allow them to stay. History indicates that this may not be the case.

 

[Knuckles]

Having some friends in the inner sanctum of NSWRU I am reliably informed that this position has come about because of a number of reasons.

These being

1. The splitting of the company into a professional arm (Waratahs Inc) and community arm (NSWRU)
2. The appointment of a certain employee at ARU who has friends in high places
3. the removal of the previous Media Manager, by the professional arm to make way for the wife of the employee in point 2 (note, the previous guy was very good in supporting the clubs etc)
4. the wife of the ARU employee telling Waratahs Inc Shute Shield is not part of professional arm and as such she will not be doing any media work for the competition

NSWRU and more importantly SRU have been unsuccessful in securing a major sponsor for the competition. As such, there is NO money to pay for the role and have called for an intern to get the job done for free. The splitting of the business will be their biggest downfall.

 

[Slash]

Thanks for the information Knuckles..............

SRU. what is it that they have achieved again???? They are a rabble and as soon as the clubs wake up, grow some balls and get together the SRU should be disbanded and laid to rest forever........IMO

 

[Done that]

Thanks for the information Knuckles..............

SRU. what is it that they have achieved again???? They are a rabble and as soon as the clubs wake up, grow some balls and get together the SRU should be disbanded and laid to rest forever........IMO

The reinstatement of the SRU as managers of the Shute Shield occurred at the instigation of the presidents of the participating clubs.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Having some friends in the inner sanctum of NSWRU I am reliably informed that this position has come about because of a number of reasons.

These being

1. The splitting of the company into a professional arm (Waratahs Inc) and community arm (NSWRU)
2. The appointment of a certain employee at ARU who has friends in high places
3. the removal of the previous Media Manager, by the professional arm to make way for the wife of the employee in point 2 (note, the previous guy was very good in supporting the clubs etc)
4. the wife of the ARU employee telling Waratahs Inc Shute Shield is not part of professional arm and as such she will not be doing any media work for the competition

NSWRU and more importantly SRU have been unsuccessful in securing a major sponsor for the competition. As such, there is NO money to pay for the role and have called for an intern to get the job done for free. The splitting of the business will be their biggest downfall.

Come on knuckles....jobs for the boys in Australian Rugby? someone's pulling your leg....or youre pulling ours

 

[Knuckles]

Come on knuckles....jobs for the boys in Australian Rugby? someone's pulling your leg....or youre pulling ours

Shocking isn't it...........Just like how Greg Mumm landed a job as 'defence' coach of the Tahs immediately after butchering the Fiji side at RWC...............

 

[Inside Shoulder]

There's a really big question lurking in all of this.
Its all very well for the Tahs to disassociate themselves from community rugby (some of us in community rugby are pretty happy not to be associated with the tahs, frankly) but what is the raison d'être of the company (I assume) that (I assume) owns the Tahs? Why do they exist?
To make money or for some other purpose? If the former: where does the money it makes, assuming that there is any, go? if the latter, given the divorce, what is that purpose? If the former, and if history is any guide, what happens when the purpose of making money falls flat on its face?
What are they trying to achieve and why?

 

[blindsider]

Has anyone heard any further news regarding the Vikings joining (re-joining?) the Shute Shield. Word around is that they are very keen, and their 'vrugby' academy will form the basis for a squad to play in Sydney.

Whilst I'm all for a team looking for a challenge, one wonders if they actually do alright whether Sydney will allow them to stay. History indicates that this may not be the case.

The away games in the nations capital would be a fun weekend away too!

 

[Balcknred]

Guys just a idea that popped in my head and would like others opions on it... So with the sru setting a weird season draw where all teams play each other in the first round I suggest one derby game per round and make that the tv game e.g rd 1 manly v warringah rd 2 randwick v easts rd 3 penrith v parra etc that gets you to round 6 I think then let abc and the powers to be decide from there , at least everyone is assured of a tv appearance prior to the season starting.

 

[Knuckles]

Guys just a idea that popped in my head and would like others opions on it... So with the sru setting a weird season draw where all teams play each other in the first round I suggest one derby game per round and make that the tv game e.g rd 1 manly v warringah rd 2 randwick v easts rd 3 penrith v parra etc that gets you to round 6 I think then let abc and the powers to be decide from there , at least everyone is assured of a tv appearance prior to the season starting.

I like it

 

[Brumby Jack]

A few words from Manly on the Brumbies not allowing their players to play in Sydney

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/no-begg-pardons-over-spray/

NEW Manly Rugby club president David Begg has launched a stinging attack on the Brumbies Super Rugby franchise over the decision to force their Marlins’ recruits to play in the “Micky Mouse” Canberra competition this season.
The controversial edict, which Begg describes as a “joke”, means that the Manly ranks will be stripped of half a dozen of their stars.
Instead of returning to their Sydney clubs when the Super Rugby commitments are completed, the players will be farmed out to Canberra outfits.
“We are extremely unhappy,” Begg told the Manly Daily.
“It is clearly detrimental to the Sydney club rugby competition, but more importantly it is detrimental to the development of these players.
“Every time a player plays a game I would have thought it was important that he play at the best level he can - in my view the standard in Perth is better.
“The standard of club rugby in Canberra is no better than Kentwell Cup.”
The ruling means Manly will lose Michael Hooper, Andrew Smith, Robbie Coleman, Anthony Hegarty, Dylan Sigg and Jono Owen.
“We know where they want to play and none of them want to play in Canberra,” Begg said.
The new president said backrower Hooper did all of his development as a Manly junior.
“For (coach) Jake White and the Brumbies now to tell him once your Super Rugby commitments are completed that he has to go and play in some Micky Mouse competition for some club that he has absolutely no affinity to at all is, quite frankly, a joke,” Begg said.
“The Brumbies have the gall to tell Sydney clubs what they can and can’t do when they can’t even secure a front-of-jersey sponsor.”
Begg said Manly will do all in their power to get the “inane” decision reviewed.
Manly will look to Sydney RU to argue their case with ARU, Begg said.
“If they don’t, we will do it ourselves.”

if Manly pay them what the Brumbies are paying them, then they can tell them where to play.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

A few words from Manly on the Brumbies not allowing their players to play in Sydney

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/no-begg-pardons-over-spray/



if Manly pay them what the Brumbies are paying them, then they can tell them where to play.

That's a long term plan and just what club rugby in Sydney needs yet what good will it do for Canberra club rugby?

 

[Empire]

Inside Shoulder, I'd say the benefits locally may include:

1. Stronger ties with the wider Canberra community, whom the players rely on for support/sponsorship/membership. This has been lacking for quite a while.

2. Stronger ties with local rugby clubs, enhancing quality at the clubs and assisting in attracting greater talent to the ACT in the future, and retention of locals.

The relationship between the Brumbies and it's premier division clubs isn't overly strong, chiefly because over the years the team has been increasingly insular and the organization financially poor. Brumbies membership amongst my club would be at best 5% - this is indicative of
the relationship. Moves to change this will only help improve the relationship and increase membership.

3. Reduction in travel for players during the week, allowing coaching staff/specialists easier access to the players. It will also allow coaching staff to attend local matches in person and watch players live.

Given the new kitchen at Brumbies HQ and sleeping bunks, the Brumbies look like being more proactive regarding player conditioning and development and keeping them close.

4. Jurisdiction - the Brumbies are able to call the shots in many cases locally, but wouldn't be heard in Sydney by either club, the SRU and Waratahs. Why place your players at another groups disposal?

Overall, if they are contracted to the Brumbies, they should understand the reasoning behind having them stay local. Having seen more than enough apathy from certain players towards the Brumbies over the past couple of seasons, ramming home the fact that they are expected to take part and represent the community to whom they are contracted makes sense to me.

If making a few hundred bucks on the side is so important, then perhaps they should resign and head overseas or elsewhere.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Good points.
Dont get to het up over this but....club rugby in Canberra aint going nowhere based on what i've seen over 40 years but this might be the difference who knows.
I suspect Begg's real issue is that he has found out about this intention so close to the start of the Shute Shield and Manly wont be able to replace virtually any of the affected players.
His other point, particularly re Hooper, whose father played for Manly, is that they produced him so its not like they were to benefit from work done by the Brumbies - its actually the reverse.
Its just another nail in the Shute Shield coffin.
I would also venture that there might be a feeling over there that this would not have happened when the Brumbies players were all at Ramndwick......

 

[lily]

C'est la vie.

 

[Empire]

Sorry, hope I didn't come across as getting overly worked up (het up?).

With regard to Michael Hooper, I can sincerely appreciate wanting to play for Manly, however, then perhaps he should have aimed for the Waratahs?

Having signed a contract to become a Brumby, and represent the ACT and surrounds, it's logical he plays in their area of influence.

I'd hazard to say that Jake White probably couldn't believe the fact that local club/community engagement was so poor, that players travel hours to play for former clubs rather than local ones and generally limit their connection to the community they expect to buy merchandise, memberships and the like.

The Brumbies and Andy Friend certainly tried to promote the local competition, but alas the players were having none of it. Having guys like Owen Finegan effectively forcing players to 'enhance their selection chances' by joining Randwick certainly indicates a strong malaise about the club. Given that Jake White has been getting what he wants around the club with the boards support, he should (and would expect) players to comply.

The Shute Shield will be fine, it has great depth throughout the grades (particularly at the big clubs like Easts, Syd Uni, Eastwood, Manly, Randwick and Norths). I thoroughly enjoy watching the matches on ABC Iview, and believe I will for some time to come. It'd be great if it had some company from around the country.

 

[suckerforred]

Personally I see the Brumby players playing in the Canberra comp and not Sydney as good. It means that the game is promoted and improved outside of Sydney. Sorry fellas but we need to start thinking nationally if we want the game to grow. And yes I would say the same thing if some of them were playing in Brisbane club sides.