Saru & Hoskins show some real Balls and dosh Sanzar!

[Blue]

When did SA last play the Pumas?

9 August 2008 Ellis Park Stadium, Johannesburg, South Africa 9 63
14 October 2007 Stade de France, Saint-Denis, France 13 37
5 November 2005 Vélez Sársfield, Buenos Aires, Argentina 23 34
4 December 2004 Vélez Sársfield, Buenos Aires, Argentina 7 39
28 June 2003 Boet Erasmus Stadium, Port Elizabeth, South Africa 25 26
29 June 2002 Pam Brink Stadium, Springs, South Africa 29 49
12 November 2000 River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires, Argentina 33 37
16 November 1996 FC Oeste, Buenos Aires, Argentina 21 44
9 November 1996 FC Oeste, Buenos Aires, Argentina 15 46
15 October 1994 Ellis Park Stadium, Johannesburg, South Africa 26 46
8 October 1994 Boet Erasmus Stadium, Port Elizabeth, South Africa 22 42

 

[Aussie D]

World Cup semi '07?

 

[PaarlBok]

Paarl. Nobody has said cut the youth leagues. What are you on about? Nobody wants to kill local rugby in SA. Why can you not understand that we can have the CC running and partake in Super Rugby as well?

Read my posts properly. I said the big CC games draw the crowds. I have seen eight CC games so far this year and if there were max 10000 people its a lot.

I really don't underatand what you are arguing about. In fact, neither do you.

It's all good Paarl. Trust me. Only problem is SARU are pussies when it comes to negotiations so all they have left is acting like babies.

OK lets start all over again from the start.

I love the S10/S12/S14 tournament. Have no problem with the Sanzar love affair. Also love the Tri Nations when it was home and away legs.

The only real problem I have is the yearly chopping and changing of rules. The change it at such a rate that we end up with no bloody Kiwi or Aus ref available to handle the SA tests in the Tri Nations.

The other wish I had about the fixture list if I am really full of shite is only the time frame of the season. Would love to see us start with CC, then S10/12/14 and ending on a high with the Tri Nations. Altho I understand the calender is already full so we have to play Tri Nations and CC at the same time. Will be a farce if we have Tri Nations and Super Rugby at the same time. So thats OK.

Now we go to the future and S15 /18/ ending with 100 rugby. Blou Boet do you know when will this new format starts and when will it end? I also have a problem with this three conference idea. Just wait till next season and you see the amount of bitching about the fact that teams dont play the same opponents in the competition in order to qualify for the business end. But thats another point, I am trying to put a Saru hat on and try to fit in somewhere a full CC home and away 16 weeks tournament in somewhere and leaving our players enough time to condition for the next season.

I am not worried about if Saru is incapable or Snor is a clown in your eyes or trying to do drolling or to be nuts or whatever. Just trying to protect SA rugby's player production fabric. We already suffer in this regard because of this stupid qouta system we have , so fiddle in the structure and we will end up nowhere.

Hoping we end the Sanzar partnership as soon as possible, we are the husband in this viokken marriage, having to pay all the papgeld, Aus the wife, claiming all the benefits and NZ the kid here.

Look whats happening in NZ. They are going to cut their ITM teams in half, what do you think will happen with the other half of their players? Tew is going to pay a heftic price for this.

 

[PaarlBok]

No double standards - the discussion is about SARU, Hoskins and the article posted (see title of the thread). PdV was wrong. If other coaches do it, they are wrong too.

This is started by the Aus coach Eddie Jones and sir Clive Woodward. The reason was to get more bums on the seats watching rugby.

 

[daz]

Hoping we end the Sanzar partnership as soon as possible, we are the husband in this viokken marriage, having to pay all the papgeld, Aus the wife, claiming all the benefits and NZ the kid here.

Is it the fault of the ARU or the NZRU that SARU is full of clowns run by pussies? If SARU are the "husband" in this marriage, why don't you tell them to grow a pair and come to the table like men. Moan, fucking moan.

In the meantime, we are all happy to take you lads to the fucking cleaners....

 

[PaarlBok]

Is it the fault of the ARU or the NZRU that SARU is full of clowns run by pussies? If SARU are the "husband" in this marriage, why don't you tell them to grow a pair and come to the table like men. Moan, fucking moan.

In the meantime, we are all happy to take you lads to the fucking cleaners....

Correct, wish many a day we could have the likes of Luyt and Craven running SA Rugby.

Pitty you lot still try and clean the piss pot in the S14.

 

[Nusadan]

Correct, wish many a day we could have the likes of Luyt and Craven running SA Rugby.

Ah, I still have this abiding memory of Louis Luyt making this outlandish comment after Boks won the 1995 World Cup, that the previous World Cups meant nothing as Boks weren't in them...

 

[PaarlBok]

Ah, I still have this abiding memory of Louis Luyt making this outlandish comment after Boks won the 1995 World Cup, that the previous World Cups meant nothing as Boks weren't in them...

Well the record shows he has a very good point. 2 WCs from 4 for SA is a pretty good record I suppose. Myself been fortunate to know Rob Louw very well and had a long talk with him about just that. He toured NZ in 1981 and was on he height of his career during that 1986 one. So you cant get closer then that and he feel the Bok class of 1986 had a very good change of winning that one. Obvious no Kiwi will agree with Rob and me but still feel that Bokke class was a pretty special one.

May sound outlandish to you but not to me Boet.

 

[Scotty]

It is amazing how consistently you can back up your own countrymen, no matter what they say or do.

 

[PaarlBok]

It is amazing how consistently you can back up your own countrymen, no matter what they say or do.

Boet why do you always go to the personal stuff when I post. Pretty sure I havent touch your Mrs or sister , so if you want to post something about my posting, try and stick to the thread subject. If you want to get on with a handback jobbie with me, lets go to PR , I am posting there and we can get the boxing gloves out and make a real good meal out of it. You keep on keffing like a young doggie on my heels and it wont be long before I kick you and I dont want this Aussie forum to read my own Namaqualands language. I leave that for PR.

 

[cyclopath]

Well the record shows he has a very good point. 2 WCs from 4 for SA is a pretty good record I suppose. Myself been fortunate to know Rob Louw very well and had a long talk with him about just that. He toured NZ in 1981 and was on he height of his career during that 1986 one. So you cant get closer then that and he feel the Bok class of 1986 had a very good change of winning that one. Obvious no Kiwi will agree with Rob and me but still feel that Bokke class was a pretty special one.

May sound outlandish to you but not to me Boet.

Well, we've all heard the stories about how good or otherwise the Bokke in 1986-7 would have been compared to the ABs, and to me it remains pure speculation. The form of the two teams was never accurately tested against each other. As for 1991 - the Bokke didn't do so well against Oz the next year with pretty much the RWC team...28-3 in the Republic. Bit of a stretch to say they would have won, which is what he implied.
IMO Luyt was talking out his arse with that arrogant brag, and should have known better, especially at such a great time for SA rugby, and SA as a nation.
But I am not trying to convince you of anything, Paarl. Just providing a counterpoint, is all.

 

[Scotty]

Boet why do you always go to the personal stuff when I post. Pretty sure I havent touch your Mrs or sister , so if you want to post something about my posting, try and stick to the thread subject. If you want to get on with a handback jobbie with me, lets go to PR , I am posting there and we can get the boxing gloves out and make a real good meal out of it. You keep on keffing like a young doggie on my heels and it wont be long before I kick you and I dont want this Aussie forum to read my own Namaqualands language. I leave that for PR.

Take is easy PB. Hardly a personal attack. Have a look at some comments between NSW and Qld supporters if you think what I said is harsh.

 

[PaarlBok]

Well, we've all heard the stories about how good or otherwise the Bokke in 1986-7 would have been compared to the ABs, and to me it remains pure speculation. The form of the two teams was never accurately tested against each other. As for 1991 - the Bokke didn't do so well against Oz the next year with pretty much the RWC team...28-3 in the Republic. Bit of a stretch to say they would have won, which is what he implied.
IMO Luyt was talking out his arse with that arrogant brag, and should have known better, especially at such a great time for SA rugby, and SA as a nation.
But I am not trying to convince you of anything, Paarl. Just providing a counterpoint, is all.

Cyc there was a huge differense between the Bok team of 1986 and the one you refer to in 1992.

The Bok team of 1986 include players like Johan Heunis, Danie Gerber, Michael du Plessis, Carel du Plessis, Naas Botha, Gert Smal, Louis Moolman, Domkrag Erasmus and Big Flippie van der Merwe who were in their peak and most started as youngsters in 1981 in NZ against the All Blacks and nearly beat them in NZ in unbelievable circumstances. You can add Divan Serfontein, Rob Louw and Ray Mordt to that list who never would have retired Serfie or playing league (Rob & Ray) in England if we were allowed to play in that 1986 WC tournament. From this bunch only Naas and Gerber survived from 1986.

 

[PaarlBok]

Take is easy PB. Hardly a personal attack. Have a look at some comments between NSW and Qld supporters if you think what I said is harsh.

Boet to be honest I dont care about your lot comments, but it irritate me no end when you start making comments and not backing it up with facts.

I mean what have my opinion about Springbok players or SA rugby people have to do with this? I have no problem if you do what Cyc just did but to bring my feelings towards something you think I feel, just irritate the kak out of me.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Luyt's claims were completely untestable and therefore ludicrous IMHO. The Bokke at that point in time could well have been the best team in the world, but the thing is they weren't playing much if any test footy. Ergo, we'll never know. It showed a complete lack of grace and manners on his part. The fact is the Boks could well have gone out in that semi in 1995, leaving the AB's with a clear run to the title. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it in elite level sport.

 

[cyclopath]

Exactly, TBH.
Paarl, I don't doubt the Bokke team 1986/7 was a very good one, in theory, but that team never actually was tested against the AB team that won, so it remains hard to judge.
Luyt bragged they'd have won both 1987 and 1991, so my other point was to refute that the Bokke team in 1991 would have won, since the RWC Wallaby team did a number on them a year later.
He might have thought it, but he shouldn't have said it!

 

[fatprop]

All this shit is standard negotiation skills, you have to be "prepared" to walk away to negotiate from a position of power.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Yeah it's a bit like saying that the great South African cricket team of the 1969/70 period would have beaten Australia and West Indies and been world champs for the next decade or so. Quite possibly yes, but we'll never know.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

All this shit is standard negotiation skills, you have to be "prepared" to walk away to negotiate from a position of power.

Dead right FP. That old adage is very true I reckon.

 

[Blue]

Luyt's claims were completely untestable and therefore ludicrous IMHO. The Bokke at that point in time could well have been the best team in the world, but the thing is they weren't playing much if any test footy. Ergo, we'll never know. It showed a complete lack of grace and manners on his part. The fact is the Boks could well have gone out in that semi in 1995, leaving the AB's with a clear run to the title. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it in elite level sport.

Louis Luyt was not a nice man. His unofficial authobiography left me speechless. Absolute **** of note.