Saru & Hoskins show some real Balls and dosh Sanzar!

[H...]

I can't quite understand why you keep insisting on posting this sort of stuff on an Australian rugby site, PB?

I'm sure you are doing it to get a reaction. Do you actually believe what you are saying, and if you so want to have nothing to do with Nz and Aus rugby, why do you keep visiting an Aus rugby website?

You don't make any sense.

I thought the same thing...but the guy has 4000 posts so he can't just be a troll, can he?

 

[Thomond78]

Each year they do this bullocks. If the Boks left SANZAR just who would they play in July/August? The NH sides won't do long tours of SA to fi.l the void. All the best Boks would just head off to Europe to get decent rugby and a decent pay packet.

Wrong, FP. We'd love them. With the change announced to the touring schedules, backed by the IRB, it would be easier for us to do them. And they'd still be able to sort out proper tours; a three-test Bokke-AB tour, with mid-weeks, would be the easiest sell in history to both markets, and overseas.

 

[Blue]

Dankie Boet,

Blou One question, Can the Aussies organise their own provincial rugby competition?

Can SA launch a Varsity Cup (University rugby) successfull, a amateur provincial competition, a U19 provincial competition , a U21 provincial competition successfull?

This competitions is our player factory. If we cut this we're dead meat.

NOBODY IS ASKING SA TO CUT ANYTHING PAARL.

Don't you understand that? The Currie Cup will be fine next year. The schedule looks fine.

There is no money for a comp here. It was tried and did not work.

 

[H...]

Wrong, FP. We'd love them. With the change announced to the touring schedules, backed by the IRB, it would be easier for us to do them. And they'd still be able to sort out proper tours; a three-test Bokke-AB tour, with mid-weeks, would be the easiest sell in history to both markets, and overseas.

if you're going to have a 3 test AB tour every year, you may aswell call it what it is and stay in the 4N.

 

[Thomond78]

Incidentally, I do think Blue is, on balance, right. But I can also definitely see SARU's point. There's been a lot of dicking around lately, and if I were them, I'd be dropping a heavy reminder to the others in SANZAR as to where the money comes from, as a hint to back off.

Sometimes, you need a blow-out to clear the air so that you can keep the show on the road. It'll sort itself out.

 

[Blue]

Wrong, FP. We'd love them. With the change announced to the touring schedules, backed by the IRB, it would be easier for us to do them. And they'd still be able to sort out proper tours; a three-test Bokke-AB tour, with mid-weeks, would be the easiest sell in history to both markets, and overseas.

Care to elaborate?

Who is "we"?

Are you talking about club and international rugby?

 

[PaarlBok]

I thought the same thing...but the guy has 4000 posts so he can't just be a troll, can he?

No drolling, nope. There is just so many weeks in a year to fit in all our rugby. We have a double round CC going, add the extra weeks of the new format S15 and where will they fit in all this. We also have a Vodacom Cup running the same time as the S14 this year and thats where they'll start. The ITM Cup will be cut into half. Where will NZ half of players go?

Its about the structure of our game and you cut at the bottom not at the top.

Its nothing about what Snor or whoever is saying its about fucking around with our current structures.

 

[Thomond78]

if you're going to have a 3 test AB tour every year, you may aswell call it what it is and stay in the 4N.

Didn't say every year; but long tours suit the SH. One of the biggest problems in the SH is the fact that, in the 3N, you're trying to cram the SH geography into an NH model (lots of short-turnaround tests, like the 6N). It doesn't work across continents; still less does it work when you cram in more and more of the same old same old, with extra Bledisloe Cup games being hawked off to the highest bidder anywhere in the world. It's not good, and it's a fair indicator that even a rugby tragic like me is watching fewer and fewer and fewer 3N games, year on year as a result.

Whereas tours suit the SH; suit the geography, and the history. It's why the Lions tours work better than anything else; they are the last true tour left, and until you've been on one, you simply can't understand how different and how wonderful a proper SH tour is.

 

[cyclopath]

Incidentally, I do think Blue is, on balance, right. But I can also definitely see SARU's point. There's been a lot of dicking around lately, and if I were them, I'd be dropping a heavy reminder to the others in SANZAR as to where the money comes from, as a hint to back off.

Sometimes, you need a blow-out to clear the air so that you can keep the show on the road. It'll sort itself out.

So the blueprint India use with the ICC. That seems to work a treat...I'd have thought respect and common-sense would go further.
Sooner or later, their bluff should be called. Maybe it's time to pass the nose and big red shoes to someone else in SARU.

 

[Moses]

I think it's a good opportunity for SA, they could get the rich European teams to tour, in summer.

 

[Thomond78]

Care to elaborate?

Who is "we"?

Are you talking about club and international rugby?

General NH unions and public, in the international arena.

Although, to be honest, SA isn't the hardest fit into the ML/HEC. We already have the Italians in now, so we'd shift to conferences in the ML, and maybe go to eight pools of four in the HEC, with no lucky losers anymore (although I have to confess, I'd miss the sweating-blood last ritual of the last two rounds).

Now, as I said, I don't think it will or should happen; it's just that it's not impossible, by any means.

 

[Blue]

Bad timing! The Rebels have just about filled their roster, and each S15 team can only have 2 marquee/overseas players. How about Namibia or Romania, they might go for a few ex-Bokke players....

Oh, hang on, The Force still need a 10...

The roster for next year is full. And that is the roster as we currently know it.

Also, believe it or not, the world is bigger than Australia. (Pick a smiley of your choice)

Let's just say for a moment that SA is on the outer.

I reckon a few Rugby Unions around the world will find ways to accommodate a player or six.

 

[PaarlBok]

I can't quite understand why you keep insisting on posting this sort of stuff on an Australian rugby site, PB?

I'm sure you are doing it to get a reaction. Do you actually believe what you are saying, and if you so want to have nothing to do with Nz and Aus rugby, why do you keep visiting an Aus rugby website?

You don't make any sense.

So you think I cant post this on a Aussie forum? Well the mods who call the shots are welcome to tell me to fuck off. I try my best to add value here and if I dont then I'l take the red card and go.

If we all think and support the same team and have the same thoughts , life will be damn daff dull.

 

[Thomond78]

So the blueprint India use with the ICC. That seems to work a treat...I'd have thought respect and common-sense would go further.
Sooner or later, their bluff should be called. Maybe it's time to pass the nose and big red shoes to someone else in SANZAR.

Slightly fixed. But then, JON has been remarkably quiet of late. Is he okay...?

 

[Blue]

General NH unions and public, in the international arena.

Although, to be honest, SA isn't the hardest fit into the ML/HEC. We already have the Italians in now, so we'd shift to conferences in the ML, and maybe go to eight pools of four in the HEC, with no lucky losers anymore (although I have to confess, I'd miss the sweating-blood last ritual of the last two rounds).

Now, as I said, I don't think it will or should happen; it's just that it's not impossible, by any means.

Actually T78 has this ever been disccussed in the media over there?

 

[Blue]

I think it's a good opportunity for SA, they could get the rich European teams to tour, in summer.

Always though you were a clucking genius.

 

[cyclopath]

Slightly fixed. But then, JON has been remarkably quiet of late. Is he okay...?

Wondered how long it'd be before you trotted your little bete-noire out. Interesting how he has anything to do with this?

 

[Thomond78]

Actually T78 has this ever been disccussed in the media over there?

Quite a bit, especially the tours side of things. Was floated very seriously a few years back when the Welsh were threatening to flounce off out of the ML; we had SA and Italian teams lined up instead. They came to heel, but the Italians, in the shape of Aironi and Treviso, are now in the ML. There was a similar idea floated about the Argentinians, too, given that most of them are based here, with discussion about them playing home 7N games in Barcelona or San Sebastian/Donostia (which would have been bloody amazing).

On balance, the general consensus is that the HEC ain't broke, so let's not touch it. But we've thought about it, no question.

 

[Thomond78]

Wondered how long it'd be before you trotted your little bete-noire out. Interesting how he has anything to do with this?

Because whenever he shuts up, Hoskins starts up again? It's like they're on a roster...

 

[H...]

It's not good, and it's a fair indicator that even a rugby tragic like me is watching fewer and fewer and fewer 3N games, year on year as a result.

Yet the new SANZAR TV deal is 35% larger than the last one. Despite the global recession.