is provincial form ................
take Barnes for example, many of the things he gets criticized for when playing with the Tahs (too conservative etc) are considered positives in test match rugby, let alone knock out world cup rugby.
RWC 2011 - Quarter final 3 : Springbokke v. Wallabies CLOSED
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is provincial form ................
take Barnes for example, many of the things he gets criticized for when playing with the Tahs (too conservative etc) are considered positives in test match rugby, let alone knock out world cup rugby.
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
You have some serious man love for the bloke.
Horwill and Moore have consistantly been the best Wallaby forwards this year.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Where have you been all the time, my Irish friend? :yay
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
This is the best summation of the situation so far and by far. Consider me a Reds fan who totally agrees with you.
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
I like the way his football brain thinks but I am not sold on his execution yet.
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
Watch a replay and observe him hit the rucks. He plays a very different game to Sharpe, of whom I'm also a fan.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Hahahahaha...
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
He was very good in that regard for a few games where his work rate was top notch...
I just don't think he's been consistently that good, and since Horwill already provides similar service having Sharpe in the side has more balance, especially as our lineout is so much better with Sharpe (wouldn't have said this a few years ago) and he provides a bit more forward momentum with the ball...
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
I'm with Bob Dwyer on this - as far as the breakdown goes, Vickerman does what Horwill does, but better.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
More Bok info:
The oldest player is Victor Matfield (34 Years)
· The youngest player is Pat Lambie (20 Years)
· The heaviest player is CJ van der Linde (123 kg)
·The lightest player is Geo Aplon (78 kg)
· The tallest player is Victor Matfield (2.01 m)
· The shortest player is Geo Aplon (1.75 m)
·The average weight of the forwards is 115 kg
·The average weight of the backs is 93 kg
TEAM MILESTONES AND RECORDS
·The starting lineup has 836 combined caps. This is the most experienced Springbok side of all time, with 21 more caps than the team that played against Wales in South Africa’s opening game in this tournament.
·This will be South Africa’s 30th test match in RWC tournaments. Of the previous 29 tests, only three were lost, for a winning percentage of 89.7%, the best of any participant in this tournament.
·South Africa have scored 115 tries in Rugby World Cup tournaments and 1 000 points.
·The first test that was played by South Africa on a Sunday was against Italy in Rome on 12 November 1995. Since then the Springboks have played in 13 tests on a Sunday. They have won them all.
PLAYERS’ MILESTONES & RECORDS
·John Smit will captain the Springboks for a world record 83rd time, in his 111th Test and 17th RWC match, both Springbok records. All 17 tests have been consecutive, placing him alongside Brian Lima of Samoa and one match behind record holder Martin Johnson of England who played in 18 consecutive RWC Matches. Smit is the only captain in RWC history to have captained his team in three RWC tournaments.
·Victor Matfield will play in his 110th test for the Springboks. He is the most capped lock forward in Rugby Union and has scored 7 test tries in his Springbok career.
· Bryan Habana extended his Springbok career try-scoring record in tests for South Africa to 40 tries in 73 tests against Samoa. His 10 RWC tries are also a Springbok record.
· Jaque Fourie is the most capped Springbok centre (57) and leading centre try scorer (28). Fourie and Jean de Villiers will extend their Springbok record as a centre pairing to 26 tests on Sunday.
·Morne Steyn passed the 400-points mark in Springbok rugby during the test against Samoa. He is currently the top point scorer in this tournament with 53 points. He will also play in his 22nd consecutive test match.
·Pierre Spies is South Africa’s top try scorer in tests as a No 8 with 7 tries.
·Schalk Burger is South Africa’s most capped flank forward with 65 tests and shares the Springbok try-scoring record for a flank with Juan Smith with 11 tries each.
·Danie Rossouw has scored six tries in RWC tournaments, a Springbok record for a forward.
·Gurthrö Steenkamp is South Africa’s top try scorer as a prop in tests with 6 tries. Three of his six tries were scored against Australia.
·Jannie and Bismarck du Plessis will play together as brothers in their 20th test should Bismarck be used from the bench.
·Butch James is South Africa’s most capped flyhalf with 37 tests. Butch played in 6 tests in RWC 2007, but only once as a substitute against Wales in this tournament.
·Francois Hougaard is South Africa’s top try scorer in this tournament together with Frans Steyn with 3 tries each.
·CJ van der Linde will play in his 35th test as a substitute should he be used off the bench.
THE COACHES
Peter de Villiers made his International Coaching debut in June 2008 against Wales in Bloemfontein. His match record is as follows: 47 test matches of which 30 were won with 17 losses for a win percentage of 63.8%.
Robbie Deans is a former All Black who played in five test matches for New Zealand. Following a successful career with the Canterbury Crusaders (under his guidance the Crusaders played in seven Super Rugby Finals of which his team won five), he was appointed as Head Coach of the Australian Wallabies in 2008. He made his International Coaching debut in June 2008 against Ireland in Melbourne. His match record since then is: 52 test matches of which 30 were won, 21 lost with one drawn for a win percentage of 57.7%.
WELLINGTON REGIONAL STADIUM
South Africa have played seven Tests at the venue: Five were lost - all against the All Blacks - while two have been won during this tournament, against Wales and Fiji.
THE REFEREE
Bryce Lawrence of New Zealand made his Test debut in 2008 in a Tri-Nations test between Australia and South Africa. The test was played in Perth and was won by Australia 16-9.
Sunday’s match will be his 20th Test appearance and his seventh involving the Springboks. Of the previous six tests South Africa won 4 and lost two. Both losses were against Australia, the most recent, earlier this year in Durban when the Springboks lost 14-9.
The oldest player is Victor Matfield (34 Years)
· The youngest player is Pat Lambie (20 Years)
· The heaviest player is CJ van der Linde (123 kg)
·The lightest player is Geo Aplon (78 kg)
· The tallest player is Victor Matfield (2.01 m)
· The shortest player is Geo Aplon (1.75 m)
·The average weight of the forwards is 115 kg
·The average weight of the backs is 93 kg
TEAM MILESTONES AND RECORDS
·The starting lineup has 836 combined caps. This is the most experienced Springbok side of all time, with 21 more caps than the team that played against Wales in South Africa’s opening game in this tournament.
·This will be South Africa’s 30th test match in RWC tournaments. Of the previous 29 tests, only three were lost, for a winning percentage of 89.7%, the best of any participant in this tournament.
·South Africa have scored 115 tries in Rugby World Cup tournaments and 1 000 points.
·The first test that was played by South Africa on a Sunday was against Italy in Rome on 12 November 1995. Since then the Springboks have played in 13 tests on a Sunday. They have won them all.
PLAYERS’ MILESTONES & RECORDS
·John Smit will captain the Springboks for a world record 83rd time, in his 111th Test and 17th RWC match, both Springbok records. All 17 tests have been consecutive, placing him alongside Brian Lima of Samoa and one match behind record holder Martin Johnson of England who played in 18 consecutive RWC Matches. Smit is the only captain in RWC history to have captained his team in three RWC tournaments.
·Victor Matfield will play in his 110th test for the Springboks. He is the most capped lock forward in Rugby Union and has scored 7 test tries in his Springbok career.
· Bryan Habana extended his Springbok career try-scoring record in tests for South Africa to 40 tries in 73 tests against Samoa. His 10 RWC tries are also a Springbok record.
· Jaque Fourie is the most capped Springbok centre (57) and leading centre try scorer (28). Fourie and Jean de Villiers will extend their Springbok record as a centre pairing to 26 tests on Sunday.
·Morne Steyn passed the 400-points mark in Springbok rugby during the test against Samoa. He is currently the top point scorer in this tournament with 53 points. He will also play in his 22nd consecutive test match.
·Pierre Spies is South Africa’s top try scorer in tests as a No 8 with 7 tries.
·Schalk Burger is South Africa’s most capped flank forward with 65 tests and shares the Springbok try-scoring record for a flank with Juan Smith with 11 tries each.
·Danie Rossouw has scored six tries in RWC tournaments, a Springbok record for a forward.
·Gurthrö Steenkamp is South Africa’s top try scorer as a prop in tests with 6 tries. Three of his six tries were scored against Australia.
·Jannie and Bismarck du Plessis will play together as brothers in their 20th test should Bismarck be used from the bench.
·Butch James is South Africa’s most capped flyhalf with 37 tests. Butch played in 6 tests in RWC 2007, but only once as a substitute against Wales in this tournament.
·Francois Hougaard is South Africa’s top try scorer in this tournament together with Frans Steyn with 3 tries each.
·CJ van der Linde will play in his 35th test as a substitute should he be used off the bench.
THE COACHES
Peter de Villiers made his International Coaching debut in June 2008 against Wales in Bloemfontein. His match record is as follows: 47 test matches of which 30 were won with 17 losses for a win percentage of 63.8%.
Robbie Deans is a former All Black who played in five test matches for New Zealand. Following a successful career with the Canterbury Crusaders (under his guidance the Crusaders played in seven Super Rugby Finals of which his team won five), he was appointed as Head Coach of the Australian Wallabies in 2008. He made his International Coaching debut in June 2008 against Ireland in Melbourne. His match record since then is: 52 test matches of which 30 were won, 21 lost with one drawn for a win percentage of 57.7%.
WELLINGTON REGIONAL STADIUM
South Africa have played seven Tests at the venue: Five were lost - all against the All Blacks - while two have been won during this tournament, against Wales and Fiji.
THE REFEREE
Bryce Lawrence of New Zealand made his Test debut in 2008 in a Tri-Nations test between Australia and South Africa. The test was played in Perth and was won by Australia 16-9.
Sunday’s match will be his 20th Test appearance and his seventh involving the Springboks. Of the previous six tests South Africa won 4 and lost two. Both losses were against Australia, the most recent, earlier this year in Durban when the Springboks lost 14-9.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Add to that Sharpe, TPN and Slipper as replacements, and we should be even better than in Brisbane.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I'm on the fence there... but they're definitely a similar style of player, which is why you need Sharpe there to command the lineout (for our own safe ball and to disrupt the opposition), and to act as another ball carrying forward...
BDA
Jim Lenehan (48)
Really looking for TPN to have a massive game. He has quite an important role, to negate the impact of his opposite number BDP when they are injected into the game. He hasn't been up to his best so far, but we all know the destructive impact he can have on a game when he's in full swing. I'm not sure whether he's been holding back in order to aviod injury (possibly told to) or he's just been trying to shape the rust off. I suspect it's a bit of both. None of the players will be holding back this Sunday so I'm hoping we see the return of the kamikaze reckingball !!
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Sharpe will lose us the breakdown. I don't know how many times it needs to be said. He has zero impact there.
Bowside
Peter Johnson (47)
So if you disregard provincial form, and you don't give someone much opportunity in test arena, how are you supposed to know if they are worth of selection?
Super rugby is not test rugby, but you have to earn your stripes there before you step up.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
tigerland12
John Thornett (49)
I don't know how so many people look past this, apart from line-out jumping, breakdown work is a locks no.1 priority, and Sharpe is average at it
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Let's not forget that against the Irish we lost so many attacking opportunities due to poor lineouts.
TPN and Vickerman can both share the blame here.
In 2009 when we'd developed an incredible scrum on the EOYT but were inadequate at the lineout.
It's all about having balance.
No use having two hard edged locks if they can't compete at one of the major set pieces.
I thought Deans was smart when he played Sharpe against the Boks, but had Vickerman against the AB's.
The AB's cause us a lot more trouble at the breakdown than the Boks, and one of the Boks' strongest attributes is their lineout, which Sharpe dominated last time.
TPN and Vickerman can both share the blame here.
In 2009 when we'd developed an incredible scrum on the EOYT but were inadequate at the lineout.
It's all about having balance.
No use having two hard edged locks if they can't compete at one of the major set pieces.
I thought Deans was smart when he played Sharpe against the Boks, but had Vickerman against the AB's.
The AB's cause us a lot more trouble at the breakdown than the Boks, and one of the Boks' strongest attributes is their lineout, which Sharpe dominated last time.
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