Reds vs Brumbies, 2011R16

[Spewn]

By the same token you're looking at this from a complete Reds perspective. If the Chiefs/Canes/Lions/Cheetahs did that to the Reds you would not be complaining despite them not gaining anything either right?

It's about the integrity of the competition.

That's about as lame as it gets - competition integrity. He should have booted it out. Couldn't care less about the Reds. They'd won. It was a perverse decision. It's not about depriving the Reds; it was just pointless.

 

[minorbird]

Affect their points differential for third or fourth? What nonsense.

Being a Reds fan I would have thought that placing value on not finishing last amongst the Australian would be a familiar thing the past decade or so.

 

[Bowside]

Not just at you Bowside but I find this stance, strange its the S15 TEAM comp.

I take the stance due to Australian rugby being pretty much constantly struggling in our crowded sports market. Bonus points are crucial for getting home finals, and playing at lang park is (normally) crucial to the reds success. A reds premiership would be huge for the game and would go a long way to fighting off the challenge posed by the 3 nrl and 2 afl teams they compete against for fans. I guess its similar to the bulls playing there 2nd XV against the stormers last year so as to guarantee both semi's were in south africa.

Would also provide some good money to go towards the ballymore redevelopment and the club comp. Without a strong club comp where are the brumbies going to get half their quality players from?

I agree that there is a need to foster provincialism, but when the majority of the team isn't even from the province the argument is moot. I think giteau just comes off as a fuckwit for doing it. A couple of weeks ago they had the chance to take a tap and go for the win and he was more than happy to kick it into touch. That would have added 3 points to their tally if it came off, his actions tonight added nothing.

 

[ACT Crusader]

It was the wrong decision because it could hit the post and give possession back to the Reds. They are out of contention so It doesn't improve anything from them, It is an unneccessary risk, which could have lost them the game. THat's why Moore was shitty. If I was Rea I would get shitty with Matt too for potentially costing us the win.

If they were ahead by that amount in a World Cup SemiFinal would you take the points to get maximum points? Fuck no you would kick it out. Plus I'm sure that if Giteau is selected for the Wobs, and say, the Reds miss a home final by one point, there won't be a whole lot of harmony at camp wallaby.

There's no bonus point system in a WC semi-final so the comparison isn't really like for like

 

[ShtinaTina]

Welcome Reds fans to the Waratah experience.

took the words right out of my mouth!

 

[qwerty51]

That's about as lame as it gets - competition integrity. He should have booted it out. Couldn't care less about the Reds. They'd won. It was a perverse decision.

So Australian teams should do each other favours? What does that say about our conference? The Saffers and Kiwis would be outraged and rightly so, it's exactly not what this conference system is about.

 

[Spewn]

took the words right out of my mouth!

Nothing comes close to that nightmare.

 

[ShtinaTina]

Giteau "Shut the fuck up I'm the captain"

Brilliant. Giteau just went up 1000% in my books.

Completely the right decision. If it was an overseas team you wouldn't be complaining. There are no favours in this competition.

I have no issues with his decision either, I'd do it too in that situation, they're not there to hold hands and be besties when they're playing the game.

 

[Scotty]

Tough luck, if you give away a penalty like that at the end of the game you can't complain. I'm much happier when this whole 'nationalism' thing is thrown out of the window in a provincial comp. It would have been nicer for Giteau to kick it out, but if you're giving a team the option to take away you're bonus point, you've already fucked up and can't complain. If the Reds valued their bonus point so much they would have kicked it out, but no they wanted to put the Brumbies away from 80 metres out which could even come accross as 'rude' from a Brumbies point of view.

Problem is that quade got penalized for something that happened about 10 other times in the game without being penalized. One about 5 minutes before where two brumbies came in from the side and secured possession. How the fuck was quade meant to know the ref would suddenly apply the rules at that point?

 

[Spewn]

So Australian teams should do each other favours? What does that say about our conference? The Saffers and Kiwis would be outraged and rightly so, it's exactly not what this conference system is about.

You're missing the point. I don't think they should have given the Reds a second thought and hence having won what was the point for the Brumbies in going for goal? A better points differential seems the best someone can come up with. And that's brainless like the decision. Moore was right to question it.

 

[qwerty51]

Besides we're missing an important point here, Gits wanted to improve his penalty success rate.

 

[Slim 293]

Wow.

Just wow.

Can we just create a sore losers thread and just copy and paste all these comments in there?

This is all a bit ridiculous.

Brumbies are eyeing maximum points to keep them off the bottom.

The decision was the right one and would've been made by every captain and every team.

Some reds fans need to put aside their egos and realize that their success is not in the interest of the other Australian teams.

 

[Blue]

How the fuck was quade meant to know the ref would suddenly apply the rules at that point?

Aren't players supposed to assume, by default, that the ref will apply the rules?

Too funny.

 

[Spewn]

Besides we're missing an important point here, Gits wanted to improve his penalty success rate.

Well okay now that's a legitimate reason.

 

[Blue]

You're missing the point. I don't think they should have given the Reds a second thought and hence having won what was the point for the Brumbies in going for goal? A better points differential seems the best someone can come up with. And that's brainless like the decision. Moore was right to question it.

Moore's from Queensland right?

Or drank too much of the water perhaps?

 

[ACT Crusader]

Just 90 seconds earlier Gits attempted a drop goal, why isn't there outrage about that, for the sake of Reds and Aussie rugby.

The Brumbies could have just kept it up the guts but sometimes it's about winning and denying your opposition at tue same time. It shouldn't matter if you are playing 1st or 15th, you do what you can

 

[Brumbies Guy]

So along with no yellow for repeated offenses I guess you dint think he deserved a yellow for taking out the reds most damaging runner.

What if he took out your worst player instead? Between this and your Giteau kick rant I think you've had 1 too many tonight Scotty.

 

[Set piece magic]

Slim where talking about a decision which was to deliberately and cynically stop another AUS team from getting points. The Brumbies want max competition points? FINE, kick it out and you will get the same amount and not run the risk.

You have been saying personal digs at QLD, the water and really playing the man instead of the ball, so how about we ask you this question: What did the Brumbies gain from kicking that penalty. What did the QRU gain, the ACT union gain, the ARU gain and the wallabies gain. And what did player relations between Wallabies gain?

Looking forward to your response.

 

[Thomotah]

If the Brumbies had kicked it out rather than taking the penalty then I think Sanzar would have had something to say about collusion. The right decision in my view, should they have done this would have been to strip the Brumbies of their match points plus a penalty. The whole integrity of the competition depends on every conference playing only for themselves. Would the Reds be happy if all the Saffer teams rolled over to give the Stormers the home final? You'd never hear the end of "We was robbed".

That is highly debatable. Brumbies had two options:

1. Go for the penalty and maximise win with a very low percentage chance of something random like the ball hitting the posts and Reds getting the ball back and a final chance to win (and therfore Brumbies lose); or
2. Just kick it out and take the win.

Gits took option 1. Waugh probably would've done the same thing. What that makes Gits requires extrapolation.

What I am hoping is between the decision to kick for goal and the swinging arm taking out Digby that the Reds reallocate some hate to the Brumbies. I think Moore understands this while Gits doesn't have to face the music next year.

 

[jay-c]

ok just to put one thing to rest
force point difference -83
brumbies-104
rebels -271
so an extra 3 points wernt gunna help the brumbies in anything>
so this settles it > gits is a fuckwit