Reds v Waratahs, round 19 2014

[Brumby Runner]

So has Hooper now overtaken both Squeaky Moore and "madness" MMM as the Reds most hated adversary? Handbags anybody?

On other matters, Simmons tackle did not have use of the arms and deserved a penalty.

Beale certainly did jump into the tackle and that contributed to its outcome. But both Ref and TMO acknowledged what happened and still determined that the tackle was dangerous because Johnson lifted after making contact. Given the current interpretations by officials, the onus is on the tackler not to lift beyond the horizontal, so YC was appropriate.

Reds were pretty awful, but did go some way to removing the aura of invincibility that has attached to the Tahs in recent weeks. But will be a different song when Folau returns and the necessary changes are made to the starting forwards pack.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

If Kepu doesn't like getting hit he shouldn't hang around the rucks because Beau just came in for a perfectly legal clean out it looked like.

That one was legal.
I have a feeling that some of the earlier ones may have been what actually lay behind this "blow up".
Robinson was on a mission to give them the shits.
Mission accomplished!

 

[Braveheart81]

They looked to have a laugh after it actually. Clearly a bit of a gee up.

I imagine the Beau hair pulling was due to their closeness off the pitch. Beau and Cliffy go back to the Rats don't they?

If Kepu doesn't like getting hit he shouldn't hang around the rucks because Beau just came in for a perfectly legal clean out it looked like.

I agree re Hooper and Gill. It looked like they were laughing about it straight away which suggests to me that there was some sort of joke behind it.

Cliff and Beau were hanging out chatting together after the game. Seemed pretty chummy.

Wasn't the reason why Kepu took offence originally because the clean out was just after the whistle? I need to watch it again.

 

[qwerty51]

Kepu took exception to the lateness of the cleanout not the actual cleanout

 

[Ruggo]

Dead man walking? Reds supporters can hope.


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I think hope is dangerous here. This could be the Reds very own Deans scenario of hope. Hope could be shattered for some time to come I fear. The souls of the Reds faithful may be devoured by the suits at the top of the QRU as it is they who instilled this Frankentsien of incompetence upon our team. I might have more luck directing my hope at the human species achieving world piece.

 

[Braveheart81]

On other matters, Simmons tackle did not have use of the arms and deserved a penalty.

Beale certainly did jump into the tackle and that contributed to its outcome. But both Ref and TMO acknowledged what happened and still determined that the tackle was dangerous because Johnson lifted after making contact. Given the current interpretations by officials, the onus is on the tackler not to lift beyond the horizontal, so YC was appropriate.

I agree on Simmons. Penalty for no arms in the tackle but not a card.

Beale was partially responsible because he jumped into contact slightly but the message is very clear that the tackler can't flip the tackled player over regardless. If Beale hadn't contributed then it's probably a red card tackle.

 

[Hawko]

Good win, but in a lot of ways that was one of the worst performances the 'Tahs have put in for quite a while. The set-piece truly was a shambles and we were pretty badly exposed at the breakdown in the first half on a number of occasions.

If it weren't for Qld's in ability to execute basic catch and pass skills, we could have been in a much tighter contest.

That said, when the backline got moving they truly were sublime. The try of the night was definitely the one Beale set-up with his classy cross field kick. I also thought Naiyaravoro played pretty well with his first full half, running hard and helping finish off that try with a great run and offload.

Still, very nervous about our first home semi - going to be a lot tougher.

I agree with all of that except the bolded bit. Naiyaravoro needs to watch Beale for a bit and then copy him. When he receives the ball with space in front of him he immediately accelerates to top speed. Naiyaravoro, when he got the ball in space, just loped along till he got close to contact and then accelerated, giving defenders time to line him up and get set.

Still, he does have a lot of potential. He needs to:

• Get some sprint training in to increase his top end speed.
• Drop 5kg so he can accelerate better without losing his physicality, which is his prime skill.
• Spend as much time as he can learning to become a rugby winger. You can see he learnt his trade in league because he is so one-dimensional in his play.

IMO he has much more potential than Nadolo did, though playing a similar type of game. Nadolo is now a Crusader star and a Fiji international. Good we are having the NRC, if he can use that and the Tahs preseason to progress he can become just about anything at either 11, 13 or 14.

 

[Pete King]

Tahs:
Here goes. WTF is the go with hair pulling? Seriously? Not just Kepu put Palu came in late in the same incident and gave Beaus hair a solid yank?
What was the go with Hooper giving Gill a few gut punches after the whistle? He wouldn't care but he's stock ha dropped big time with me. Not the sort of conduct you expect from your wallaby captain.



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The punches between Gill and Hooper were obviously a g-up, You might want to take up watching badmitton or lawn bowls if you were offended by the above

 

[RugbyReg]

Kepu took exception to the lateness of the cleanout not the actual cleanout

is that what he told you?

 

[Pete King]

wouldnt we all be a little dissapointed if there wasnt some passion and rage on display in this encounter? there were no complete dog shots from behind or guys kicking people in the head. Political correctness is killing contact sport in australia. Any1 who follows league and the SOO series this year would understand.

 

[Pfitzy]

On a side note fuck it was dissapointing to see simmons penalised for that tackle on TPN

Interestingly I remember Simmons getting pinged for a "cannonball" tackle on the French too... Like his lineout penalty brainfarts, this is something he might be guilty of repeating. Hard to get your arms around someone's ankle, but at least look like you're trying to do it, which is what TPN does.

Definitely not a card.

So two weeks to fix up the set piece and get our side back to full strength with Folau and Horne starting, and *gulp* Ryan on the bench.

According to all reports the last 30 was better from the Tahs so hopefully that means the bench was solid.

How many minutes did JacPot get?

 

[RugbyReg]

20 minutes. Came on for big Will

 

[Train Without a Station]

Hard to read into that from the Waratahs point of view. Set piece was disappointingly poor which will stop you from being champions, but ability to capitalise on opportunities was great and the type of thing that will make you champions.

 

[Ruggo]

I agree on Simmons. Penalty for no arms in the tackle but not a card.

Beale was partially responsible because he jumped into contact slightly but the message is very clear that the tackler can't flip the tackled player over regardless. If Beale hadn't contributed then it's probably a red card tackle.

I get what you are saying but if Beale doesn't jump, there is no flip. Simmons very much set to use arms in the tackle but gets thin air where contact with Beale would be had he not jumped. The card was a bad call in my view. I also think the ref botched the analysis as after looking at half a dozen slow motions he should have looked at it in real time to put it back into context and the sequence of events is clear that it was just one of those things and there was no need to cast blame either way.

 

[Ruggo]

20 minutes. Came on for big Will

Speaking of Big Will. I don't think he troubled the Reds much, was a huge asset to us at lineout time and his weight at scrum time was well negated by the Reds.

 

[FilthRugby]

I personally have no issue with what Simmons did. Look, I think its best summed up by Tim Horan, who said that's really the only way you can tackle the big blokes, or else they get too many metres.

Yesterday when watching club first grade footy, I saw that same tackle made at least 5 times, the players just got up and on with things. In my opinion, its just a massive over-reaction yesterday by the Mike Fraser. (cliché term) it slowed the game down, and when you show something in slow-motion it looks way worse than in general speed.

The Johnson tackle was just bullshit, momentum gave way...and yeah another over-reaction. With that being said, I thought Fraser actually had a very good game.

Oh and Kepu deserved a card, not because it was 'dangerous' but just fucking stupid, I hope he cuts that shit out when playing for the Wallabies, because he has been in great form.

 

[Scoey]

The punches between Gill and Hooper were obviously a g-up, You might want to take up watching badmitton or lawn bowls if you were offended by the above

In your opinion they were a gee up. I have no idea what Hooper was thinking when he threw them and all I saw was the Waratahs and Wallabies captain throwing punches after earning a penalty. But don't let that stop you missing my point entirely.

Here's a couple of things that could've transpired after he threw them.
1. Penalty is reversed.
2. Hooper is YC'd
3. Hooper is suspended and misses the semi and or GF.

These things didn't happen but with some of the calls made just in that game alone let alone the weird things that happen at judiciaries should some over zealous match official decide to cite him it's not a big leap for even the smallest minds to make that they could have.

For a guy who is revered as much as he is, that's an incredibly big risk to take just because he lost his cool. If as you so definitely assert, it was a gee up then that make it even more fucking stupid and questionable.

Your post about how it's good to see passion in the game and then references to how anyone who watched the SOO this year would understand disproves your point. This yearning for passion and hate in the SOO is what is solely responsible for dishing up the steaming turd of a series this year. A series that has turned a lot of people I know off league.

So thanks for your suggestions and backhanded insult that I'd be better off watching badminton but I'll stick to Rugby.


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[Scoey]

Beale was partially responsible because he jumped into contact slightly but the message is very clear that the tackler can't flip the tackled player over regardless. If Beale hadn't contributed then it's probably a red card tackle.

Partially responsible? Slightly jumped?

Jumped is an absolute statement BH. He either did or he didn't. Kurtley jumped into the tackle. As soon as he did he caused his momentum to be translated from a horizontal direction to a vertical direction, he also lowered the point of contact from the tackler to a position that was far more likely to tip himself and he also made himself more prone to tipping by not having his boots in contact with the ground. They counteract the force of the impact to some degree and help prevent him being flipped.

Johnson went to make a regulation tackle and was yellow carded. There is nothing more he could've done to stop Beale tipping.


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[Set piece magic]

Few points I observed:

- The reds need to learn to catch
- Waratahs great and full of running but their set piece was a pile of poo which made the match and endless stream of Queensland stealing their ball only to knock it on and steal it again... only for NSW to score

- Reds just have no fucking idea in attack
- GIving the Waratahs quick ball is terminal to any team

- The guy behind me made a point about ballymore. The afternoon games, the beers, the chicks, the festival atmosphere. All of which doesn't exist at Suncorp. Interesting.

- The only thing the Reds can claim to have on the 'Tahs is attendances. 36000.

- Adam Ashley-Cooper is a top bloke. I met him at Fridays after the game. I didn't want to be one of those fan boy dicks that constantly wants photos but he was next to me as I was getting a drink so I said hi. Good guy, just knows how not to be a dickhead

 

[Pfitzy]

In your opinion they were a gee up. I have no idea what Hooper was thinking when he threw them and all I saw was the Waratahs and Wallabies captain throwing punches after earning a penalty. But don't let that stop you missing my point entirely.

*snip*

For a guy who is revered as much as he is, that's an incredibly big risk to take just because he lost his cool. If as you so definitely assert, it was a gee up then that make it even more fucking stupid and questionable.

Have you ever seen Hooper involved in a fight or throw punches at anyone?

So it was a fucking gee up