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Allen Oxlade (6)
Cordingley has too much say with the recontracting of players.

There are a few experienced lads who aren't being shown any respect by him re. their future at the Reds.

SC has played these shenanigans before, like with Albert Anae and left a bad taste in many player's mouths.
 
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Let's not get too carried away here. We don't know any of the facts really.

All we can comment on is what Carmichael has said. The arrogance of the comments is what irks many.
 
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Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Have they got some former NSW Central Coast Labour Party Local Electorate Pre-Selection Membership scrutineers in charge of counting Reds memberships?
 
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Gillys_ghost

Dave Cowper (27)
so whos our flyhalf for next season? does anyone know who would be a good signing or any young prem grade players ready to take the step up to Super Rugby?
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
Not every team has a Cooper or Foley running around as their flyhalf.

I don't see a problem with the Reds committing to using Jake and Duncan so long as they invest a serious amount of time and energy into making them and the team work properly.

Both of those guys need a massive amount of work to be able to be super rugby flyhalfs, and require specialist coaching (like kicking, running, passing and just about everything else). the rest of the team just need to have a series of go to plans that are functional and not bat-shit stupid (like RGs plans obviously were) and able to be executed consistently.

And just about everyone needs to be doing a serious amount of extras because I have no idea what they hell they have been doing at training this last two years, but the red's basic skills are atrocious and it is up to the players to rectify that under expert tutelage.

There is some serious cash freed up now surely - the reds could surely pay some dosh to get the extra coaching staff now.

If the Reds go for a double import (like the French 5/8th mentioned in The Australian) then that is just admitting failure that the reds as an organisation are useless at producing players and we should just give up on the whole super rugby thing and go back to four franchises - Tahs, Brumbies, Force and Rebels. The QRU can run the local premiership and serve as a feeder to the capable and mature organsiations
 

Gillys_ghost

Dave Cowper (27)
i agree that they are the two best we have but i just dont know if thats enough, i was thinking recruiting an aussie from overseas, not a foreign marquee player.
 

Gillys_ghost

Dave Cowper (27)
Berrick Barnes?

I thought the Reds were done when he left all of those years ago.

Berrick or Ben Lucas, or anyone who we can get that has experience. then we can give Jake or Greene, or Duncan the time they need to develop with minutes of the bench and more NRC time.
 

Rugger Mate

Allen Oxlade (6)
Cordingley has too much say with the recontracting of players.

There are a few experienced lads who aren't being shown any respect by him re. their future at the Reds.

SC has played these shenanigans before, like with Albert Anae and left a bad taste in many player's mouths.
Too true nick , but it seems as though he has a few supporters on this site that disagree
 

dru

David Wilson (68)
Duncan isn't getting a lot of time at FH, he was playing 12 in U20's if I recall correctly.
 

swingpass

Peter Sullivan (51)
Cordingley did a very good job at the Rebels, only one really dodgy buy and one that didn't do as well as expected.
 

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
Berrick or Ben Lucas, or anyone who we can get that has experience. then we can give Jake or Greene, or Duncan the time they need to develop with minutes of the bench and more NRC time.
Ben Lucas has just signed for another year at Montpellier so he's out. Going to be very tough to find anyone based in Europe at the moment because they will generally have already sorted out their contracts for next year.
 

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Allen Oxlade (6)
Btw: anyone here taking the 'QC (Quade Cooper) has underperformed' line should go back and look at Sully's (I'm sure it was him!) essay on GAGR analysing the variance in the Reds w-l % when QC (Quade Cooper) plays, vs when he did not (via injury typically). The difference was clear and stark - QC (Quade Cooper) delivers a measurable, significant improvement in the Reds' win rate when fit. OK, he's suffered from injuries 2012-15, but so, just for a comparative example, has D Carter. A good RU supports its very best players through all this.

I would argue that every imaginable factual analysis would show that QC (Quade Cooper) has been the Reds MVP over the 2009-2014 period.

That's before we add in his obvious Suncorp crowd-pulling power and the major economic gains from his style of play and contribution to many great Reds victories.

Next, if the QRU had concluded that negotiations with QC (Quade Cooper) had to end, it could have announced that state of being so much more constructively and decently vs the tawdry, one-sided, petty blame sheet it put out, nastily listing all of QC (Quade Cooper)'s injury periods at the end as if that was the right final coda to justify the announcement in some indirect, mean-spirited fucking manner.

Here's the alternative, in outline:

"The QRU announces with much regret that it has been unable to agree contractual terms with QC (Quade Cooper) for the 2016 and later seasons.

"Both parties worked tirelessly in an attempt to find the right mutual balance for Quade's future with the QRU and with good faith shown throughout by both parties. Both parties wanted an outcome good for Quade and good for QLD rugby, but on this occasion, it simply could not be found.

"No one is at fault here, we just could not achieve the right contractual solution at this time and in these circumstances.

"Quade Cooper's great loyalty to QLD rugby and the Reds cannot ever be questioned. He has given enormously to our rugby programs at all levels and has been a huge contributor to the Reds recent on-field successes, and to the Reds as a prominent, respected sporting team in the minds of all QLD rugby fans.

"The QRU has nothing but gratitude for Quade's time with the QRU and have nothing but the best of good wishes for his future. Just as importantly, he will always be welcomed back to Ballymore at any time and, hopefully, to one day play again for our Reds."

That the QRU chose not to announce as above, speaks volumes re their demonstrated executive culture, 2015 version, and incompetence and self-satisfied arrogance in dealing with their (dwindling) fan base. Let's recall that, in defending the indefensible, namely their HC Graham, we fans have endured endless positive leaks and media statements regarding his 'excellent commitment' coupled with the vast array of QRU excuses and get-outs offered up to explain his routine on-field disasters.

They can find that unjustified, cloying generosity and continuing indulgence for a manifestly failed coach, but not for one of their greatest ever players and greatest ever gate and sponsor money spinners.
Agree. The Reds press release was a disgraceful bit of PR for themselves. It signals that if you leave the Reds or don't come to terms with a contract renewal you are entitled to a very poor pubic reference from the Reds. Don't worry Jim Tucker from courier mail Qld jounro will always back the Reds reterrick as well. Qld rugby is a very tight little club at the top and are worse than the power brokers at a political party.
 
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