suckerforred
Chilla Wilson (44)
Not sure he said that did he? I initally didn't pick him because he felt that he needed to do some more work on aspects of his game.
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Not sure he said that did he? I initally didn't pick him because he felt that he needed to do some more work on aspects of his game.
hammertimethere
Trevor Allan (34)
1. There is no way that CFS can't be considered a starter. I think at this stage it's likely he will play early rounds on the wing.
2. Lets not kid ourselves, if ant Fainga'a wasn't absolutely 100% ready to go he wouldn't be considered for selection. I don't buy this "he's on the comeback trail he starts from the bench" business. He's either fine, and can be considered to start or is no good and should take however much time he needs to get right. All talk is that he is fine, so in my opinion should assume his mantle at 13. The role he plays there for the reds is particularly important.
3. I'll be honest, my opinion of turner at fullback is mixed, his kicking game actually really impressed me in the final trial but I have had nightmares about the easy cover tackle he missed that led to the Rebels easiest try, his counter-attack play was ok but nothing exceptional. Toua and Taulagi both showed more counter-attacking sizzle in 10 and 5 mins respectively than turner did in 40. If toua is healthy, I think he gets first crack, he has earned it. Turner, davies and shipperley all have about equal runs on the board at the reds at the moment (all things considered). 1 of them starts at 14, one on the bench, one misses out.
I suppose we should then consider, how do the brumbies play and what areas of the game can we press our advantage?
They will scrum strongly, compete ferociously at the breakdown and be aggressive in D. On attack you'd expect them to play wider and try use their now good back 3 (plus kuridrani) to take the reds on with power/pace at the edges.
The reds will need to try achieve parity at scrum time and really try beat the brums at their own game around the breakdown. Then they will need to play with extreme speed and accuracy in the offload, because our backs are probably not going to make a lot of breaks through the middle (10-13 for the brums will all be excellent defenders). The reds would also do well to attack the brumbies lineout.
Al things considered, I reckon that leaves us with
1. Holmes
2. Saia
3. Slipper
4. Simmons
5. Horwill (c)
6. Quirk
7. Gill
8. Schatz
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. CFS
12. Harris
13. Ant
14. Turner
15. Toua
16. Hanson
17. Daley
18. Anae or Owen
19. O-donoghue
20. McDuling
21. Lucas
22. Tapuai
23. Shipperley
2. Lets not kid ourselves, if ant Fainga'a wasn't absolutely 100% ready to go he wouldn't be considered for selection. I don't buy this "he's on the comeback trail he starts from the bench" business. He's either fine, and can be considered to start or is no good and should take however much time he needs to get right. All talk is that he is fine, so in my opinion should assume his mantle at 13. The role he plays there for the reds is particularly important.
3. I'll be honest, my opinion of turner at fullback is mixed, his kicking game actually really impressed me in the final trial but I have had nightmares about the easy cover tackle he missed that led to the Rebels easiest try, his counter-attack play was ok but nothing exceptional. Toua and Taulagi both showed more counter-attacking sizzle in 10 and 5 mins respectively than turner did in 40. If toua is healthy, I think he gets first crack, he has earned it. Turner, davies and shipperley all have about equal runs on the board at the reds at the moment (all things considered). 1 of them starts at 14, one on the bench, one misses out.
I suppose we should then consider, how do the brumbies play and what areas of the game can we press our advantage?
They will scrum strongly, compete ferociously at the breakdown and be aggressive in D. On attack you'd expect them to play wider and try use their now good back 3 (plus kuridrani) to take the reds on with power/pace at the edges.
The reds will need to try achieve parity at scrum time and really try beat the brums at their own game around the breakdown. Then they will need to play with extreme speed and accuracy in the offload, because our backs are probably not going to make a lot of breaks through the middle (10-13 for the brums will all be excellent defenders). The reds would also do well to attack the brumbies lineout.
Al things considered, I reckon that leaves us with
1. Holmes
2. Saia
3. Slipper
4. Simmons
5. Horwill (c)
6. Quirk
7. Gill
8. Schatz
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. CFS
12. Harris
13. Ant
14. Turner
15. Toua
16. Hanson
17. Daley
18. Anae or Owen
19. O-donoghue
20. McDuling
21. Lucas
22. Tapuai
23. Shipperley
He was left out of the Rugby Championship squad on the basis that McKenzie thought other props were performing better. He was wrong. Picking Sio was not a good choice and he got smashed at scrumtime.
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tranquility
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Says the bloke with Benn as his display.
Link gave him a kick up the bum, and got him to refocus.
Link gave him a kick up the bum, and got him to refocus.
T
tranquility
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Why are people not picking Browning in their sides? Toua will be fullback and Browning will be the reserve backrower, that much is obvious. The reserve lock will be out of McDuling or O'Donoghue.
suckerforred
Chilla Wilson (44)
HTT -
1. Don't not agree with you there. Hence I said that I would start with Harris & Taps. If you take Ant out of the picture the 13 stocks are a little thin........
2. Entirely disagree. I really don't think that Ant is ready. Consider the way that he plays. His tackling and work in defense. He had some major major work on his shoulder and last weeks trial was the first game time he has had since. He was only there for 10 minutes or so, and IMO didn't show that he would be up to a full 80 minute effort. Therefore against the Brumbies I would not start him. I know his role is important but I would sooner have him there in July than have him start this weekend and be back in a sling.
3. I agree with you about Turner at Full back. I would have Toua there is a flash and Taulagi as second choice. But is there enough experience in those two against the Brumbies if you are going to have CFS on one of the wings? A back 3 of Shippers, Turner, and Toua/Taulagi would be good. CFS, Shippers & Turner - alright. CFS, Turner and Toua/Taulagi - would be just a bit green around the gills for the Brumbies. As much as I love JJ & think that he will have full-back nailed down before the end of the year that senario will be throwing him to the wolves in round 1. Same with Toua - even though he has a littl more experience. All things considered this is a good problem to have though....
The scrum I agree with you. I think that it is all going to be a bit of a mystery until things settle and we see how all the pack perform with the new interpretations.
1. Don't not agree with you there. Hence I said that I would start with Harris & Taps. If you take Ant out of the picture the 13 stocks are a little thin........
2. Entirely disagree. I really don't think that Ant is ready. Consider the way that he plays. His tackling and work in defense. He had some major major work on his shoulder and last weeks trial was the first game time he has had since. He was only there for 10 minutes or so, and IMO didn't show that he would be up to a full 80 minute effort. Therefore against the Brumbies I would not start him. I know his role is important but I would sooner have him there in July than have him start this weekend and be back in a sling.
3. I agree with you about Turner at Full back. I would have Toua there is a flash and Taulagi as second choice. But is there enough experience in those two against the Brumbies if you are going to have CFS on one of the wings? A back 3 of Shippers, Turner, and Toua/Taulagi would be good. CFS, Shippers & Turner - alright. CFS, Turner and Toua/Taulagi - would be just a bit green around the gills for the Brumbies. As much as I love JJ & think that he will have full-back nailed down before the end of the year that senario will be throwing him to the wolves in round 1. Same with Toua - even though he has a littl more experience. All things considered this is a good problem to have though....
The scrum I agree with you. I think that it is all going to be a bit of a mystery until things settle and we see how all the pack perform with the new interpretations.
suckerforred
Chilla Wilson (44)
Not the same as saying that he was 'poor under the new laws'. Just said that he was not performing as well as the others &, and tranquility said, gave him a kick up the bum.
However, this is the Reds thread.....
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
It certainly wasn't Benn's scrummaging that led to him working the pine. That ability has NEVER been in question !!!!
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TOCC
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Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
only workrate
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
Didnt gatland break both legs ?
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
I dont think it was wrong as such, i think he hoped Sio would have the goods .. he got found out as young and inexperienced.. Not the wrong call as you need to see these things.. I hope Sio takes it as experience and gets better from it (as we all will).. Benn should never have been left out. in my eyes THP should have been (end of last season) Slipper Alexander LHP was Benn R and Sio.. Kepu took over at THP from alexander who seems to sometimes be the best but others not the best..
anyway all over now.. Benn R fighting fit is good for oz rugby...
Link is that you?
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
Sorry being in a convo on a related topic from the conversation flow .. but let me get on track.. Saturday night Brumbies 28 Reds 6 ..like a boss
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Scoey
Tony Shaw (54)
This sounds like a helluva plan!
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Train Without a Station
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Probably because some people realise Beau Robinson has a lot to offer. He only played his first game back from injury in the last trial in the Academy game. He's a known quantity so I can see why they'd want to see Browning play and let Beau ease back into contact.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
Enough said if you dont want robbo the Brumbies will have him
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