Reds 2011

[wobbly]

Whilst I don't disagree in principal the issue raised above is irrelevant. The QRU would pay probably about $150k a year for Gas. Money well spent in gates and media profile I reckon. The ARU will pay top up regardless of where he plays. Now that money (as well as the $150k) comes from a pool of money specifically set aside for the payment of players. And that is all it can be spent on.

Geez I hope not. Too much local talent coming through to pay automatic top-up to a Mungo (even one that's had a French apprenticeship).

Invest in keeping the young performers happy and more games (Oz A, Baa Baas) for the fringe test players.

 

[RugbyReg]

well it will be a test for JON. Make no mistake, if Gaz signs then the ARU will be paying for a part of his contract. He'll be contracted to the ARU as is the norm.

But JON has recently come out and talked of changing the structure of these league contracts to be based on incentive. So only if they perform do they get paid. In saying that, Dell and Tim Tam for two probably got picked before they deserved it, showed anything, so they would have got these incentives too.

My one hope is that if we do sign Gaz in the next little while, he doesn't tour at the end of the year. Or get picked Aust A. He needs to spent the rest of the year playing club and then S15 next year.

 

[tranquility]

Gill's size just is not an issue.

He is a taller frame, which he will fill out both naturally and in the gym. I spoke to the Premier colts coach at Sunnybank a fortnight ago and he told me that his size is not even a point of concern for the Reds. He also reeafirmed that everything that has been said about him is spot on the money.

However as previously mentioned Eddy Quirk is going to be the next backrow prodigy in the Reds setup. He could very easily get game time this year (and still could) he is a massive man, and extremely dynamic. Comparing him to Shatz he doesn't take on the workload that Shatz does but his involvement in games is far more explosive. He runs outwide like a league backrower, hits very hard and most importantly his counter-rucking skills are quite incredible which is very rare in a backrower of his age in this country. This is a big watch this space.

 

[scrubber]

Gill's size just is not an issue.

He is a taller frame, which he will fill out both naturally and in the gym. I spoke to the Premier colts coach at Sunnybank a fortnight ago and he told me that his size is not even a point of concern for the Reds. He also reeafirmed that everything that has been said about him is spot on the money.

However as previously mentioned Eddy Quirk is going to be the next backrow prodigy in the Reds setup. He could very easily get game time this year (and still could) he is a massive man, and extremely dynamic. Comparing him to Shatz he does take on the workload that Shatz does but his involvement in games is far more explosive. He runs outwide like a league backrower, hits very hard and most importantly his counter-rucking skills are quite incredible which is very rare in a backrower of his age in this country. This is a big watch this space.

Rubbish that size is not an issue in Rugby - there are so many good kids around that size does become a factor - sure hopefully Gilly will grow thicker through gym but still needs to around that 95-100 kg size to make his mark in the big time - something also about pack weights - the days of small great players are gone - Nowland from Sunnybank supposedly has a bit of so-called inside knowledge that they are not concerned with Gilly's size - bullshit - if he doesn't add substantial weight in next year or two he won't be kept, irrespective of ability - remember a rumour a couple of years ago when Morahan was in Academy at Reds and was told to put on weight otherwise would be shown the door AND he is just a winger. He was able to add weight and the rest is history in the making

 

[tranquility]

ha ha, okay champ.

lets see if they give him the door.

If you look at my post it's says that in relevance to his height and body type they are not concerned.

 

[TOCC]

after watching Gill perform in the IRB 7's against some rather large and athletic islandrs, kenyans and americans, i dont think size is a issue either, ultimately his not ready this year, but come S15 2011 there wont be much to stop him

 

[David]

Gill's size just is not an issue.

He is a taller frame, which he will fill out both naturally and in the gym. I spoke to the Premier colts coach at Sunnybank a fortnight ago and he told me that his size is not even a point of concern for the Reds. He also reeafirmed that everything that has been said about him is spot on the money.

However as previously mentioned Eddy Quirk is going to be the next backrow prodigy in the Reds setup. He could very easily get game time this year (and still could) he is a massive man, and extremely dynamic. Comparing him to Shatz he does take on the workload that Shatz does but his involvement in games is far more explosive. He runs outwide like a league backrower, hits very hard and most importantly his counter-rucking skills are quite incredible which is very rare in a backrower of his age in this country. This is a big watch this space.

I played against him a few times last year in prem colts (Quirk), I was impressed with his running game and that was about it, I didn't see major involvement from him elsewhere around the park. I will admit I am a back so I might have missed his other work.

 

[tranquility]

my post was supposed to say that he doesn't have the involvement of Shatz but he is more dynamic etc. I will edit it to avoid confusion.

 

[Lee Grant]

David

Yeah I reckon you must have missed a bit as you were combing your hair.

The lad's a star in just about every game, but I hope he can put on weight. They'll play him in the Reds when he's ready whatever he weighs, but living south of the Tweed my interest is more in his potential for the Wallabies, and I'm thinking about tests against our sternest opponents year in year out - the Boks and NZ.

He seems to be a light framed lad that won't take weight readily but what do I know? Let's hope I'm wrong as I am a lot on such matters - JOC (James O'Connor) looks too light to ever be a professional player in his position is one of my quotes, or near enough, from when he was 16.

 

[Reddy!]

Gill is what, 18 years old? And about 86kg? He also is fairly tall I imagine - compared to Waugh, Smith etc. He has time on his hand, and has the potential to get to 100kg by the time he is 20. Taller bodies take a bit longer to put weight on, but once they do their overall weight will be more than your smaller forward type.

If he hasn't made any inroads by the time he is 21, I would begin to worry. But at the moment just look forward to the prospect of having another talented backrower running around in Aus. rugby.

 

[David]

David

Yeah I reckon you must have missed a bit as you were combing your hair.

Bahaha fair call, as a back I tend not to noticed too much happening in the forwards besides at scrum time and lineout time. So yeah based on the hype around here about quirk I think we can assume a missed a bit while I was combing and styling my hair.

 

[en_force_er]

David

Yeah I reckon you must have missed a bit as you were combing your hair.

Bahaha fair call, as a back I tend not to noticed too much happening in the forwards besides at scrum time and lineout time. So yeah based on the hype around here about quirk I think we can assume a missed a bit while I was combing and styling my hair.

I find in my rugby experience a forward knows what a back should be doing, be couldn't do it himself, whereas a back just has no clue what a forward should be doing or if he is actually doing it.

 

[Phantom_Prop]

Looks like it could be down to a two horse race, :thumb lets hope queensland can manage some serious backers to keep quade here



Cooper knocks back French riches PHIL LUTTON
April 27, 2010 - 5:31AM

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Quade Cooper's future is likely to be in Australia.

The rush for the services of in-demand flyhalf Quade Cooper is officially a two-horse race, with the Wallaby star knocking back a colossal offer from a leading French club to commit his immediate future to Australian rugby.

Cooper's decision to turn his back on one of Europe's glamour clubs and a lucrative financial windfall will put to rest arguments he is motivated only by money.

The question now is whether he will remain at the resurgent Queensland Reds next season or make the shift to the Western Force, which is assembling a big-money play for his services.

The ARU learned of Cooper's decision to forego the riches of Europe on Friday and can now compile a potential top-up offer to the 22-year-old.

 

[TOCC]

apparently PAE is been persued by other clubs as well

 

[TOCC]

Braid is confirmed to be returning to NZ in 2011, he will play for the Auckland Blues for the next 2 seasons.

Its a shame to lose him, but you cant deny the lure of the RWC..

I wonder what would have happened had Richie McCaw been injured in the RWC and Braid was still with the Reds, surely dispensation would have been made, i tend to think that Australia and New Zealand should have a agreement where players can play in either coutnry and still be elegible for there respective national team. I understand that New Zealand probably has more to lose in this department, but at the same time it could prevent some of there all blacks heading over to europ if they can sign big contracts in australia.

 

[Geeves]

Braid is confirmed to be returning to NZ in 2011, he will play for the Auckland Blues for the next 2 seasons.

Its a shame to lose him, but you cant deny the lure of the RWC..

I wonder what would have happened had Richie McCaw been injured in the RWC and Braid was still with the Reds, surely dispensation would have been made, i tend to think that Australia and New Zealand should have a agreement where players can play in either coutnry and still be elegible for there respective national team. I understand that New Zealand probably has more to lose in this department, but at the same time it could prevent some of there all blacks heading over to europ if they can sign big contracts in australia.

As Braid's contract starts on July 1. I reckon that he will be in this years AB squad.

 

[spectator]

Braid will be a massive loss. He has been a major factor in the turnaround of Qld's fortunes, with his influence and presence in the early games. Tomiki will have to step up big time next year or it will be up to one of the young guns like Gill or Quirk, although Schatz did play at 7 one game didn't he? Anyone know what Andrew Shaw is up to next year?

 

[TOCC]

Braid is confirmed to be returning to NZ in 2011, he will play for the Auckland Blues for the next 2 seasons.

Its a shame to lose him, but you cant deny the lure of the RWC..

I wonder what would have happened had Richie McCaw been injured in the RWC and Braid was still with the Reds, surely dispensation would have been made, i tend to think that Australia and New Zealand should have a agreement where players can play in either coutnry and still be elegible for there respective national team. I understand that New Zealand probably has more to lose in this department, but at the same time it could prevent some of there all blacks heading over to europ if they can sign big contracts in australia.

As Braid's contract starts on July 1. I reckon that he will be in this years AB squad.

He wont be available for the Tri-Nations but should available after that, he is going to play for Aucklan in the NPC

Braid will be a massive loss. He has been a major factor in the turnaround of Qld's fortunes, with his influence and presence in the early games. Tomiki will have to step up big time next year or it will be up to one of the young guns like Gill or Quirk, although Schatz did play at 7 one game didn't he? Anyone know what Andrew Shaw is up to next year?

Well, im guessing since Andrew Shaw's dad is now the QRU President he will have some affiliation with the club.

 

[Scotty]

I wonder what would have happened had Richie McCaw been injured in the RWC and Braid was still with the Reds, surely dispensation would have been made, i tend to think that Australia and New Zealand should have a agreement where players can play in either coutnry and still be elegible for there respective national team. I understand that New Zealand probably has more to lose in this department, but at the same time it could prevent some of there all blacks heading over to europ if they can sign big contracts in australia.

I think all 3 SANZAR countries (and Argentina in the future) should have this sort of agreement.

 

[Godfrey]

Possibly, but the number of players would still need to be limited. Imagine if the Force beat the Crusaders with Dan Carter playing for the Force and Pocock playing for the Crusaders. I wouldn't know who to cheer for (not that I cheer for the Force all that often).