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Rebels 2020

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Andrew Slack (58)
I guess I am hardly free from accusation of bias but, in terms of their standing as a prospect (as opposed to their actual standing right now) I agree with Bobby Sands.

Not to downplay Maddocks - he’s a good, young talent but I reckon Lucas looks like he will be the better player.
 

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Jim Lenehan (48)
Maddocks is currently the better player, I don’t even think it’s in question. Will that statement be the case in 3yrs who knows? We often forget how young Maddocks is. He’s only 2yrs older than Lucas.

I’m not even sure Lucas is the better player at the same age.
 

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John Thornett (49)
He requested months ago, he didn’t dictate it a month out. We’ve been through this.

You have absolutely no idea what is driving him to go home, often it’s personal reasons and needing their own support network. In the age of mental health awareness why would you not release a player if he has demonstrated a meaningful desire to be released to return home.
Because the signed a contract honour it, it’s not hard. AFL clubs block players moving when they are in contract.
 

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Alan Cameron (40)
and yet we see in professional players released, told they are surplus to requirements and/or sent to club land by their contracted teams all the time

but when a player wants a change he should honour his contract?

it is an employment contract, not a slave contract

Point is, it's a contract.

I might be a grumpy old bugger but I think that if you give someone your word that should be enough; you should do as you promised. If you then put that word in writing and sign your name to it, it should be almost as binding as spitting on your hand and shaking on a deal. And that goes for both parties.

Unless there are exceptional circumstances (e.g. Toby Smith), the onus should be on the player to stick to their contract, not go asking for an early release mid term. I'm not annoyed at the Rebels for letting him go, they're looking after the player's interest, but I am pissed off at Maddocks for asking to leave mid way through his commitment. I was more pissed off though when the Rebels traded Sefa out to free up some salary cap, that was bullshit.

None of this has anything to do with loyalty. Loyalty is only really something to consider at renewal time. As Brendan Cannon once said, "I was 100% loyal to all four clubs that I played for", or words to that effect.

Mind you, I am sympathetic to anyone moving from Sydney to Melbourne and finding life here a bit too elegant and sophisticated for their trashy taste :p
 

Mr Wobbly

Alan Cameron (40)
AFL clubs also trade players back home when they request for compassionate reasons as well

AFL clubs have specific rules around player trades and a defined three week window in which they can make those trades. They are unlikely to make a trade unless they are getting something in return they consider to be of equal or greater value.
 

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John Thornett (49)
Point is, it's a contract.

I might be a grumpy old bugger but I think that if you give someone your word that should be enough; you should do as you promised. If you then put that word in writing and sign your name to it, it should be almost as binding as spitting on your hand and shaking on a deal. And that goes for both parties.

Unless there are exceptional circumstances (e.g. Toby Smith), the onus should be on the player to stick to their contract, not go asking for an early release mid term. I'm not annoyed at the Rebels for letting him go, they're looking after the player's interest, but I am pissed off at Maddocks for asking to leave mid way through his commitment. I was more pissed off though when the Rebels traded Sefa out to free up some salary cap, that was bullshit.

None of this has anything to do with loyalty. Loyalty is only really something to consider at renewal time. As Brendan Cannon once said, "I was 100% loyal to all four clubs that I played for", or words to that effect.

Mind you, I am sympathetic to anyone moving from Sydney to Melbourne and finding life here a bit too elegant and sophisticated for their trashy taste :p
No matter what level of sport you play it’s an honour and a privilege to wear that clubs jersey.
 

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George Gregan (70)
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Point is, it's a contract.

I might be a grumpy old bugger but I think that if you give someone your word that should be enough; you should do as you promised. If you then put that word in writing and sign your name to it, it should be almost as binding as spitting on your hand and shaking on a deal. And that goes for both parties.

Unless there are exceptional circumstances (e.g. Toby Smith), the onus should be on the player to stick to their contract, not go asking for an early release mid term. I'm not annoyed at the Rebels for letting him go, they're looking after the player's interest, but I am pissed off at Maddocks for asking to leave mid way through his commitment. I was more pissed off though when the Rebels traded Sefa out to free up some salary cap, that was bullshit.

None of this has anything to do with loyalty. Loyalty is only really something to consider at renewal time. As Brendan Cannon once said, "I was 100% loyal to all four clubs that I played for", or words to that effect.

Mind you, I am sympathetic to anyone moving from Sydney to Melbourne and finding life here a bit too elegant and sophisticated for their trashy taste :p

when a player wants to change - he is disloyal

when a team wants to cut a player/make space in their salary cap/move in another direction - it is business

When teams start being more moral, I will change my mind and consider a player should reciprocate
 

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John Thornett (49)
Lucky he raised this issue with them more then a month out then..
No where in the article does it say how long it’s been discussed apart from “for a while now” also it doesn’t say when he informed his current club and normally for any manager that will be the last club they tell in case the deal can’t get done. Also the deal does not benefit us. I do think rugby needs to introduce a more streamlined approach for player transfers you see soccer has two transfer windows a year and that seems to work
 

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John Thornett (49)
when a player wants to change - he is disloyal

when a team wants to cut a player/make space in their salary cap/move in another direction - it is business

When teams start being more moral, I will change my mind and consider a player should reciprocate
Ultimately that’s because people support a club and not a player but that also doesn’t stop many from being critical of clubs for making those moves as they see how it can be detrimental to the culture and create and environment that players don’t want to be a part of
 

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Desmond Connor (43)
No where in the article does it say how long it’s been discussed apart from “for a while now” also it doesn’t say when he informed his current club and normally for any manager that will be the last club they tell in case the deal can’t get done. Also the deal does not benefit us. I do think rugby needs to introduce a more streamlined approach for player transfers you see soccer has two transfer windows a year and that seems to work

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/01/09/super-rugby-waratahs-maddocks

In this article it says Maddocks approached Rebels just after Grand final.
 

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John Solomon (38)
Read the fox rugby one so didn’t see that. That just furthers my point of needing a transfer window. Either way we shouldn’t of been releasing him we get nothing for it. You don’t let the tail wag the dog

You don't get nothing though- you are able to free up money on the salary cap and release a player who might not be completely committed to the cause- it's not a no-win situation. Rugby league teams have been releasing players early from contracts for a decade, you assess things on a case-by-case basis.
 

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John Thornett (49)
You don't get nothing though- you are able to free up money on the salary cap and release a player who might not be completely committed to the cause- it's not a no-win situation. Rugby league teams have been releasing players early from contracts for a decade, you assess things on a case-by-case basis.
Clubs also hold on to player Jai Arrow being the latest example of that. Also freeing up space is so useful this late in the piece as there is an abundance of players looking to move that we could now sign
 

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Rod McCall (65)
Jai Arrow is moving for his career and more pay, it’s not personal reasons. Completely different scenario
 

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David Codey (61)
Read the fox rugby one so didn’t see that. That just furthers my point of needing a transfer window. Either way we shouldn’t of been releasing him we get nothing for it. You don’t let the tail wag the dog

You got Money from the Tahs and Cap space.. They didn't get nothing Financial Compensation as the news has stated. Probably for the best as Maddocks was playing rubbish by the end of the year. He wanted to move home probably to be with his missus who's in Sydney, to be closer to the 7's and to be with Family.

Tahs got Maddocks
Rebels got Cash. .

Win Win or the Rebels wouldnt have done it.
 
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