Rebels 2020

[Rebel man]

How is it a revolving door though? Maddocks spent three years with the Rebels. He was obviously signed for a fourth year but had asked to leave.

I agree that teams need to understand why a player is leaving and what they could have done better but in Maddocks' case I think it has very little to do with the Rebels and everything to do with him wanting to return to Sydney for the sake of his relationship and family.

I think in general, teams should try and come to an agreement that allows a player who has requested to leave to leave. I think there is little to be gained by forcing a player to hang around because I don't think that player is likely to perform to their ability when a situation like that exists. It works both ways and the Rebels have built some goodwill with RA and the Waratahs and if the situation was repeated in reverse you would hope that it would work in the Rebels favour next time around.

Mate you ask how is it a revolving door how many players have come and gone? Maddoks is just the latest to come to Melbourne and 2/3 years later are gone. You need blokes who are actually willing to commit to the club if you are ever going to have success so of course it’s disappointing seeing another mercenary walk out. I get it as a fan of the Tahs and Eats you will see it in a different light as you will just be happy to have Maddoks home

The family angle is just a cop out look at the Swans in the AFL they have built a very good culture most of their list is from Melbourne yet the players buy in and commit. Also the Swans aren’t afraid to hold a player to their contract, they blocked Papley moving to Carlton for that reason. They also blocked Ryan O’Keefe leaving and he went on to re-sign and win another premiership. Sydney should be the model the Rebels try and replicate they have done the work to build a strong culture stand up to the clubs from the heartland and aren’t afraid to hold a player to a contract as they back the environment they have built to get the best out of that player and they back themselves to be able to work through the issues the player is having so they no longer want to leave. This is a club that before 05 had made 1 GF in 72 years and in the last 15 seasons have only missed the finals once made 5 grand finals and won 2

If a player sooks up because they are held to a contract it hurts them more than anything, it shows mentally they aren’t up to being a professional athlete. Also that goodwill with the Waratahs means so much as of course every other year we will have players lining up to return home to Melbourne.

 

[Braveheart81]

Mate you ask how is it a revolving door how many players have come and gone? Maddoks is just the latest to come to Melbourne and 2/3 years later are gone. You need blokes who are actually willing to commit to the club if you are ever going to have success so of course it’s disappointing seeing another mercenary walk out. I get it as a fan of the Tahs and Eats you will see it in a different light as you will just be happy to have Maddoks home

The family angle is just a cop out look at the Swans in the AFL they have built a very good culture most of their list is from Melbourne yet the players buy in and commit. Also the Swans aren’t afraid to hold a player to their contract, they blocked Papley moving to Carlton for that reason. They also blocked Ryan O’Keefe leaving and he went on to re-sign and win another premiership. Sydney should be the model the Rebels try and replicate they have done the work to build a strong culture stand up to the clubs from the heartland and aren’t afraid to hold a player to a contract as they back the environment they have built to get the best out of that player and they back themselves to be able to work through the issues the player is having so they no longer want to leave. This is a club that before 05 had made 1 GF in 72 years and in the last 15 seasons have only missed the finals once made 5 grand finals and won 2

If a player sooks up because they are held to a contract it hurts them more than anything, it shows mentally they aren’t up to being a professional athlete. Also that goodwill with the Waratahs means so much as of course every other year we will have players lining up to return home to Melbourne.

There's a lot of player movement within the Australian teams. The Rebels have lost three players to other Super Rugby clubs this season (all to the Tahs coincidentally) and picked up three this season. All the Australian teams look pretty similar in terms of the amount of player turnover this year (which is very high which is common after a RWC year).

I agree that you want players wanting to stay at the Rebels across multiple contracts. Culture and success will help that but I'm not sure holding someone to their contract when they want to leave is the best way to improve that.

The Swans commentary is relevant and I do think the Swans should have facilitated Papley returning to Melbourne. That was a complex issue though in that the trade that was being worked on was between more than just Sydney and Carlton and also involved Essendon and Joe Daniher. Ultimately it didn't happen. Generally I think the Swans have been decent in terms of facilitating trades when players have requested them. Tom Mitchell and Dan Hannebery being notable ones in the last couple of years.

I don't think you build that culture you're looking for by being a hardarse about contracts.

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

and round and round we go

 

[Rebel man]

There's a lot of player movement within the Australian teams. The Rebels have lost three players to other Super Rugby clubs this season (all to the Tahs coincidentally) and picked up three this season. All the Australian teams look pretty similar in terms of the amount of player turnover this year (which is very high which is common after a RWC year).

I agree that you want players wanting to stay at the Rebels across multiple contracts. Culture and success will help that but I'm not sure holding someone to their contract when they want to leave is the best way to improve that.

The Swans commentary is relevant and I do think the Swans should have facilitated Papley returning to Melbourne. That was a complex issue though in that the trade that was being worked on was between more than just Sydney and Carlton and also involved Essendon and Joe Daniher. Ultimately it didn't happen. Generally I think the Swans have been decent in terms of facilitating trades when players have requested them. Tom Mitchell and Dan Hannebery being notable ones in the last couple of years.

I don't think you build that culture you're looking for by being a hardarse about contracts.

It’s also how and who when you lose players, we rolled over and gave up one of our best prospects right on the start of the season so the circumstances couldn’t be more different from fringe players moving at seasons end

The Swans has every opportunity to do a deal with Carlton without Essendon being involved but they demanded more than Carlton was willing to give and rightly blocked the move. Tom Mitchell was out of contract when he moved to Hawthorn so Sydney had to let him go and they moved on Hannebery to clear cap space

If anyone decides they want to leave a club because they expect players to see out their contract they aren’t the types of blokes that you want to build a club around

 

[Blackadder]

Hey the Tahs gave you an outside back, Michael Wells.....

 

[Adam84]

Reds released Ruan Smith to the Rebels mid-contract and he was the 2nd best THP in Queensland, didn’t hear any complaints about that signing, or complaints about making players stick to their contracts.

 

[Tomikin]

I feel this argument is here and should be left alone now.

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[KevinO]

Reds released Ruan Smith to the Rebels mid-contract and he was the 2nd best THP in Queensland, didn’t hear any complaints about that signing, or complaints about making players stick to their contracts.

Someone looking to start is a bit different than someone who is going to start. Also his 29 and towards the end of his career, Rebels could have been building a back line around Maddocks and Hodge for a long time to come.

 

[Adam84]

29years isn’t towards the end of the career for a THP.. Greg Holmes didn’t establish himself as a THP until his late 20s and hit his prime in his early 30s.

If the Rebels don’t want him, i would gladly take him back at Ballymore...

 

[Slim 293]

This might not be pertinent in the Jack Maddocks 2020 thread..........

But I wonder what impact the smoke pollution is going to have on the Rebels preparation?

Melbourne followed Canberra by having the worst air quality in the world overnight.........

It may have been discussed already, but I didn't want to crawl through the 7 stages pages of Rebel man's grief.

 

[RoffsChoice]

Brumbies and Rebels are apparently unlikely to play their warm-up games if the smoke continues.

Rebels aren't at home until 14 Feb, so (hopefully) they aren't going to have to cancel any home games. The round 2 game against the Brumbies is still being considered for cancellation.

It could hurt the Rebels' bottom line if they decide to train in Japan for the lead-up to the Sunwolves game in order to avoid the pollution at home.

 

[Tex]

Should just play them down in Tasmania or Adelaide. Fuck it, I'd do a road trip if they did

 

[Ignoto]

Should just play them down in Tasmania or Adelaide. Fuck it, I'd do a road trip if they did

They could join the rest of Victoria who seem to be vacationing at Noosa. Plenty of spots on the coast both teams can train and then play at!

 

[thierry dusautoir]

Question for anyone who knows, whatever happened to local lad Allan Faalavaau?

One minute with the Sevens next minute dropped off the face of the Earth.

Did he ever trial with the Rebels?

 

[Tex]

They could join the rest of Victoria who seem to be vacationing at Noosa. Plenty of spots on the coast both teams can train and then play at!

Given the certain social set who holidays in Noosa I'm sure there's more than a few Rebels platinum members up there at the moment!

 

[VassMan]

Bring half the team home and train in Perth!?!?

 

[Rebels3]

The 3 players born or grew up in Perth might enjoy a game out west. I’d support a game in SA or Tas if the move had to be made

 

[Bobby Sands]

Good article on Kellaway, I have a hunch he is going to be a massive surprise.

 

[TSR]

This one?

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/01/14/super-kellaway-rebels

 

[fatprop]

It’s also how and who when you lose players, we rolled over and gave up one of our best prospects right on the start of the season so the circumstances couldn’t be more different from fringe players moving at seasons end

The Swans has every opportunity to do a deal with Carlton without Essendon being involved but they demanded more than Carlton was willing to give and rightly blocked the move. Tom Mitchell was out of contract when he moved to Hawthorn so Sydney had to let him go and they moved on Hannebery to clear cap space

If anyone decides they want to leave a club because they expect players to see out their contract they aren’t the types of blokes that you want to build a club around

My last comment on this, worth a listen, Haskell & Ellis Genge talk through the loyalty of clubs from the pro players perspective @56 min