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Rebels 2020

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I think fatprop is referencing certain players being told they are not required to train with the Super Rugby team despite being on a full contract and instead just being told to train and play with their club side. In that instance they are pretty clearly being frozen out and hopefully frustrated into seeking a release.

I don't think anyone has any issue with players outside of the matchday 23 playing for their club side on a Saturday.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
what??? They do it because they are not in the match day 23 and want them to maintain match fitness.


I am not talking about the odd game, but the "Coopers", the "Hunts" and the "Slippers" in the last few years

It happens in Rugby, the NRL & Football

There is no loyalty from professional sports (or any other business) unless it suits them, none. If they want someone off their books, the pressure happens and they are gone

So why should any player provide any loyalty?
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
So why should any player provide any loyalty?
i'll answer in Maddocks case for why he should

1) Melbourne signed him when no other Super side was interested in him
2) Melbourne showed faith in him when he spent 90% of his first year here in team rehab
3) While playing for Melbourne he developed his game to reach international level
4) Melbourne worked with Jack to agree on playing both 7's and Super rugby in 2020
5) And most of all, Melbourne showed faith and gave him a contract
 

RoffsChoice

Jim Lenehan (48)
If he was cutting ties and running without the consent of the Rebels, you could call it disloyalty.

If the Rebels said "No, stay, we're going to play you all season, you're key to our game plan, and we can see ourselves making the playoffs with you in the starting team", and he responded with "nah fuck you I'm off the Sydney", you could call it disloyalty.

If he went to the Rebels and said "hey, there's an opportunity for me to play fullback each week, I know that's my position, do you think I have that chance here?" and the Rebels said "No, DHP is our fullback, we consider you cover for the position but we're mostly going to play you on the wing. We'd love to keep you but we'll consent to a release if it works for you and the Tahs will pay the compensation.", that's not disloyalty.
 

7137

Alex Ross (28)
i'll answer in Maddocks case for why he should

1) Melbourne signed him when no other Super side was interested in him
2) Melbourne showed faith in him when he spent 90% of his first year here in team rehab
3) While playing for Melbourne he developed his game to reach international level
4) Melbourne worked with Jack to agree on playing both 7's and Super rugby in 2020
5) And most of all, Melbourne showed faith and gave him a contract

1 and 2 are the same and both lies. He was heavily sought after by all, including the Tahs, but he went to Melbourne because there was no way he was going to get Folau out of the Tah 15 jersey.
 
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Bobby Sands

Guest
Maddocks isn’t even that good, let the Tahs have him. He probably suits them.

Lucas is already a better fullback prospect and he’s not physical enough for the wing at international level (yet) but he could become good (absolutely) if the penny drops.

I’d expect the Rebels to beat the Tahs this year - focus on players who want to be part of your program.
 

eastman

John Solomon (38)
Maddocks isn’t even that good, let the Tahs have him. He probably suits them.



Lucas is already a better fullback prospect and he’s not physical enough for the wing at international level (yet) but he could become good (absolutely) if the penny drops.



I’d expect the Rebels to beat the Tahs this year - focus on players who want to be part of your program.

I'm curious by what metrics make Lucas the better fullback prospect?
 

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
“ Maddocks said he had first approached the Rebels about an early release after last year’s Super Rugby season finished, starting to feel homesick.

“Conversations probably started after Super Rugby finished last year but it wasn't really a real possibility until maybe the last couple of months,” he said.”

So I guess it doesn’t reflect poorly on him at all. He made the request at the earliest and best possible moment.

Big difference between discussing the possibility of leaving and requesting a transfer. They should of held him to his contract, easy to blame others when things go wrong.
 

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
Look I'm not unsympathetic to your position, but I'm for the greater good of rugby in this country and forcing talented young players off to Japan in a fit of pique is about the worst thing we can do at this stage.
No it’s not the culture needs to change nobody is bigger to than the club they play for. If players are not willing to buy into that they are not worth keeping around
 

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
So the Rebels should have held Maddocks to his contract and made him stay but also got rid of him because he didn't want to be there?
Hold him to the final year of his deal then let him go. Don’t let him dictate he wants to go a month out, it’s not up to the club to accommodate him.
 
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Bobby Sands

Guest
I'm curious by what metrics make Lucas the better fullback prospect?

Thankfully rugby players are rarely compared on metrics other than anecdotally ie after the fact to justify decisions.

It’s quite right that it’s not objective, but to my eye he’s a better player already. But let’s see shall we, feel free to bookmark this post.

Or leave some metrics.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
Hold him to the final year of his deal then let him go. Don’t let him dictate he wants to go a month out, it’s not up to the club to accommodate him.

He requested months ago, he didn’t dictate it a month out. We’ve been through this.

You have absolutely no idea what is driving him to go home, often it’s personal reasons and needing their own support network. In the age of mental health awareness why would you not release a player if he has demonstrated a meaningful desire to be released to return home.
 

Tomikin

David Codey (61)
Thankfully rugby players are rarely compared on metrics other than anecdotally ie after the fact to justify decisions.

It’s quite right that it’s not objective, but to my eye he’s a better player already. But let’s see shall we, feel free to bookmark this post.

Or leave some metrics.

Size speed experience (jk)
 
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