Quade telling it how it is

[Hugh Jarse]

C'mon Scarfie, Way back on page 40 something you almost got a thread high jack by introducing Sir Richie GOAT, and now you want to bring our second favourite subject into it?

I'll bite. The lack of Effective Communication and Management are the root cause of the "troubles" in the National Squad. Forget about the lack of basic skills and fitness.

 

[Scotty]

I think I've only posted once in this thread, so I'll have one more go at it.

I do think it's a Gen Y thing. I teach Gen Y at university and I'm constantly astounded - gobmacked - at how they feel the world owes them a living. Very often when I fail someone they'll trot out the "But I paid for this course" argument. The 3 amigos keep reminding me of my students - all rights, no responsibilities.

I don't want to punish them for this - they genuinely don't realise how unattractive their behaviour is for us old-timers. But they do need to be gently lowered into harsh reality. My rule with my students is the same for my own kids - kind but firm. You need to police the boundaries tightly - very tightly - but you do it with compassion. If somebody in the Wallabies camp broke curfew, you'd say "I'm sorry, but we're dropping you for two games. Here's the number for the Wallabies sports psychologist if you need to talk to someone. Keep yourself fit and we all look forward to seeing you in 2 weeks."

I think the Wallabies set-up hasn't been getting this right. They do have a duty of care to their employees, but it's in everyone's interest to police the boundaries. Seems like they've been getting most of this wrong, and JON's slightly smart-arse statement doesn't fill me with confidence. No good letting them get away with murder then sounding surprised when they go of the rails. The "trick," if you want to call it that, is to sound genuinely sorry when your charges go off the rails, but also making clear that there's only one person who can change that.

Agree too much with this just to like. There are failures all around.

Generally the older CEOs like JON aren't the best people to manage these situations. He has certainly shown a distinct lack of ability in this regard.

I employ gen Ys and there is certainly a difference. In general life has been too easy for them in regards to work/learning. They often expect more than what the have worked to receive. I like the saying 'how can you expect to get more when you only put in just enough for what you currently get?'

 

[TOCC]

I think the issue has been exasperated in 2012 due to the turnover in coaching and also the overall lack of experienced players/enforcers of discipline.
Would Quade have made similar comments if Horwill, Pocock or Genia were still captain? i doubt it...

I mean, Sharpe has been promoted to Captain and he didnt even want to play for the Wallabies this year.. Was he really the best option?
I'm not questioning the blokes integrity or potential to captain, but you gotta wonder what this says to the other players.

Furthermore this 'players welfare' approach to managing guys like Kurtley, earlier this year when he was playing badly Robbie insinuated he didnt want to drop him from the Test completely because it would be bad for his welfare... What is this saying to the other players in the team who are working their asses off and keeping their noses clean on the weekend.

anyway

 

[twenty seven]

The Gen old fart different have social networking that created a storm bigger than it spmetimes should have been.
Makes you wonder about 'whistle blowing' too. How many times has someone put up their hand to be the mouth piece for the discontent that many others have been feeling, then been left high and dry after the words have been said.
Quade and his mangement have copped the shitload load of finger pointing but wouldn't you have liked to have been a fly on the wall during some off the 'team mate' discussions! Just makes you wonder.....

 

[Hugh Jarse]

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Furthermore this 'players welfare' approach to managing guys like Kurtley, earlier this year when he was playing badly Robbie insinuated he didnt want to drop him from the Test completely because it would be bad for his welfare. What is this saying to the other players in the team who are working their asses off and keeping their noses clean on the weekend.

anyway

Crikey, If Robbie dropped all those who played badly from last night, he will need to cancel next weeks Under 19 NSW v QLD game, 'cause most of them will get the call up for National duty.

 

[Penguin]

I work in a trade & the Gen Y's I've worked with & trained don't show any or many of the traits described. It's too easy to put a label on a group, in fact it's a bit of a lazy cop out.
I agree Hugh about there being these types in every generation who think the world owes them. Twitter & other social media is a big problem in this day & age where there is just a constant stream of mundane gibberish & random thoughts saturating the world.
I imagine if Twitter was around in Campese's day, for instance, that we'd have seen similar things to the Cooper saga ( though I don't reckon you'd find any that would decline a national jersey!).... he never had a problem ruffling feathers in the era of print only media.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

/...snip.../
I imagine if Twitter was around in Campese's day, for instance, that we'd have seen similar things to the Cooper saga ( though I don't reckon you'd find any that would decline a national jersey!).. he never had a problem ruffling feathers in the era of print only media.

You can't begin to imagine what a challenge a 24 year old Campo with a smart phone and twitter would have been for the establishment.

 

[Ignoto]

I do think it's a Gen Y thing. I teach Gen Y at university and I'm constantly astounded - gobmacked - at how they feel the world owes them a living.

I don't think it's a Gen Y thing at all. It's more the surroundings that influence these particular types of people (especially those who have people whispering in their ear when it comes to money). If it was a Gen Y thing, we'd see the likes of Horwill, Pocock, McCabe, Hooper, Gill, Nick White etc all acting the same way. So, that makes me think there's something up with those influencing the "trouble" makers.

It's pretty clear that the ARU fail when it comes to man management especially when compared with the NZRU. Anyone remember the Guildford situation (of course you do, he rocked up butt naked to a pub, smacked a few people and ran off with their women), but rather than discarding him to the wolves they publicly apologised for his antics and said they would do everything to help him.

All I can see is blame shifting going on from one party to another. Whether it be the coaching/administrative side or the players. No-one wants to accept they were the root problem so we can actually identify where we need to improve on (oh wait, wasn't that the reason why we had this review into the RWC failure, still waiting on that report).

In summary, don't widely cast your net to say it's a Gen Y situation, otherwise I'll blame anyone over 35 personally responsible for creating a shitstorm that is our economy.

 

[#1 Tah]

We can't even keep track of how many reserves we have. I am over Aussie rugby. Its just too big a mess to want to have a share in. Yes it's the green and gold, but this is the equivalent of doing a Lay Down Sally.

 

[SammyP]

Ok, I'm new here so please be gentle
I've been following this thread since the start and every new thing that Cooper comes out with gets me angrier. Like many, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt ... until the Rugby Club interview. I cannot accept that he would turn down a Wallaby jumper. Also I just about threw my dinner at the TV when he kept going on about the Reds.
So ... if he gets what he wants and Link is made coach and QC (Quade Cooper) plays for the Wallabies again in a more attacking style he prefers ... do those players who would rather play the defensive game get to do the same thing and whinge? "I'm not playing again unless the game plan involves more pick and go plays!"

 

[I like to watch]

Sammy, I am sure QC (Quade Cooper) would like to see Link get the job, but that would just be a little bonus on his way out.The Rugby Club appearance was all about making it untenable for the ARU to keep him on.
Let's face it, on form QC (Quade Cooper) is a fringe Test player ATM.What other sport allows an individual fringe player dictate the makeup of the coaching staff?

 

[TOCC]

Crikey, If Robbie dropped all those who played badly from last night, he will need to cancel next weeks Under 19 NSW v QLD game, 'cause most of them will get the call up for National duty.

Not really the point i was expressing... There will always be circumstances where depth prevents the Wallabies from dropping a player, but to place a player on the bench rather then drop him from the 22 due to 'welfare issues' highlights other undermining circumstances.

 

[vidiot]

I think the trick is keeping control while letting every member of the side including the dickheads think they are steering the ship. But how does the master of gobblegook - the riddler, RD - do that? He preaches a simple game but in an incomprehensible way, the worst of both approaches.

The fact that he seems like a nice guy and he's been saddled with Nuci and Totality Tony, and a horrendous run of injuries, makes me feel sorry for him. But it's time to reset and build without, dare I say it, any of the baggage.

FYI, Quade, you've made yourself baggage.

 

[TOCC]

The only reseting that needs to be done is at the ARU level.. An independent commission to run the professional arm of the game..
The ARU now sits behind every other major professional sporting code in Australia with a outdated structure heavily favouring NSW and QLD..

Cricket, they pinnacle of traditionalism is even going through a restructure to modernise which will put it on par with the NRL, AFL and FFA.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Good idea to follow Cricket and Diveball structures and governance. They are sports that are played at a similar level across Australia, with any one state team being able to compete for the silverware.

 

[TOCC]

Good idea to follow Cricket and Diveball structures and governance. They are sports that are played at a similar level across Australia, with any one state team being able to compete for the silverware.

and AFL and NRL????????
Both organisations have modern governing structures which allow them access to greater government funding and aren't bogged down with bureaucracy

 

[Hugh Jarse]

AFL and NRL do not have the Nationwide spread, and no international presence at all.

There is probably something to be followed from those codes, but if we want worlds best practice, then follow codes that have a presence in the rest of the world.

 

[Jiggles]

Humphrey Bogart?

Haha this gave me a good giggle. But in all seriousness is WJ's Saturday arvo mystery date insinuating that there is more players who get special treatment than the 3 amigos? That's what I assume with this new Rat Pack moniker.

 

[waratahjesus]

Haha this gave me a good giggle. But in all seriousness is WJ's Saturday arvo mystery date insinuating that there is more players who get special treatment than the 3 amigos? That's what I assume with this new Rat Pack moniker.

3 or four players I was told. "rat pack" was my drinking buddies term, one he said is used to describe them by others.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Diggers played like a pork chop last night. Is he a rat packer? Wasn't he in "the car" with some of the Rat Pack Amigos?