Quade telling it how it is

[I like to watch]

WJ, are you sure he didn't say brat pack?

 

[waratahjesus]

I'm not trying to be cryptic, dont want to name who said it cos there on a media ban from talking about it. He didn't say Names, just said 3-4 guys who he referred to as the rat pack.

 

[TOCC]

AFL and NRL do not have the Nationwide spread, and no international presence at all.

There is probably something to be followed from those codes, but if we want worlds best practice, then follow codes that have a presence in the rest of the world.

So what is it you are advocating? that the ARU reforms or not?
I interpreted your comment of following the CA and FFA governance reforms as sarcastic?

 

[Jiggles]

3 or four players I was told. "rat pack" was my drinking buddies term, one he said is used to describe them by others.

Cheers. Wasn't sure what it implied. So three are fairly obvious, with one of those probably not playing rugby again, but who's the fourth?

Genia - he has a bloody ego on him but he's an out and out competitor and leader like Gregan.

Ioane - doesn't drink or anything like that so not sure.

Phipps - angry little sod who comes across as fairly perpetulant.

This is a fairly fun guessing game.

 

[qwerty51]

I do think it's a Gen Y thing. I teach Gen Y at university and I'm constantly astounded - gobmacked - at how they feel the world owes them a living. Very often when I fail someone they'll trot out the "But I paid for this course" argument. The 3 amigos keep reminding me of my students - all rights, no responsibilities.

So I guess Michael Hooper, Liam Gill, Kane Douglas, Faingaas, Pocock, Slipper, Genia aren't Gen Y to you? There's plenty of young blokes in the Wallabies set up with the right attitude.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

So what is it you are advocating? that the ARU reforms or not?
I interpreted your comment of following the CA and FFA governance reforms as sarcastic?

ARU needs reform, as do most other rugby structures, entities and affiliates in Australia. You could probably exclude internal reform at the junior village clubs, and suburban clubs at this stage.

FFA, FIFA, CA and ICC have their problems but soccer has to have a structure that recognises that it is competitive in each state and most nations across the world. Cricket is competitive in all states and while it has a significantly reduced international footprint, it sh!ts all over AFL and NRL for international presence.

Rugby is an international game. While centred in NSW and QLD, it needs to have structures that promote growth in the other states.

My point is that ARU needs to follow International Sporting bodies lead as well as mungo and outdoor volleyball.

I am all for reform, efficiency and transparency. Look at some of the poison I have sprayed in some of the other threads about the buffoons pretending to run our game.

 

[twenty seven]

I watched the interview with QC (Quade Cooper) and I must have turned deaf because I obviously didn't interpret half of what he said as so many did. But then I am a ancient Reds fan.

For those who are interested, read George Gregans book. In there is a page or two about the Brumbies and the turmoil they had when a certain coach was in charge..one who eventually left to fly across the ditch to another coaching role for a certain 'blue' team. Seems a bit familiar.

 

[Mr Doug]

Canterbury Lamb or domestic product for the BBQ?

Southern Highlands of NSW, actually Hugh!

 

[Jnor]

I think I've only posted once in this thread, so I'll have one more go at it.

I do think it's a Gen Y thing. I teach Gen Y at university and I'm constantly astounded - gobmacked - at how they feel the world owes them a living. Very often when I fail someone they'll trot out the "But I paid for this course" argument. The 3 amigos keep reminding me of my students - all rights, no responsibilities.

I don't want to punish them for this - they genuinely don't realise how unattractive their behaviour is for us old-timers. But they do need to be gently lowered into harsh reality. My rule with my students is the same for my own kids - kind but firm. You need to police the boundaries tightly - very tightly - but you do it with compassion. If somebody in the Wallabies camp broke curfew, you'd say "I'm sorry, but we're dropping you for two games. Here's the number for the Wallabies sports psychologist if you need to talk to someone. Keep yourself fit and we all look forward to seeing you in 2 weeks."

I think the Wallabies set-up hasn't been getting this right. They do have a duty of care to their employees, but it's in everyone's interest to police the boundaries. Seems like they've been getting most of this wrong, and JON's slightly smart-arse statement doesn't fill me with confidence. No good letting them get away with murder then sounding surprised when they go of the rails. The "trick," if you want to call it that, is to sound genuinely sorry when your charges go off the rails, but also making clear that there's only one person who can change that.

As a member of Gen Y, fuck off. I hate the whole generation argument, and this is just bollocks. It's like being one eyed about the team you support - you only see what confirms your prejudices and ignore that which doesn't. I would be happy if I never hear anyone say anything about 'generation' X, Y, Z baby boomers, whatever ever again.

 

[waratahjesus]

There is a gen y problem, it is the fault of the generations that have come before. The litigious society we have created has led to people being taught that there not personally responsible for there own actions, this is the problem with the gen y that scarfie refers to in my opinion and one I level at Quade also. It's not all gen y as some are raised and advised better.

 

[No4918]

Can the Reds tear up Coopers contract and tell him it will be tabled again with the exact same terms as soon as he commits to the ARU? I know that you need to be signed to an Aus province to get the ARU topup but wonder if there is a loophole somewhere that would allow it to happen.

The Reds telling him enough is enough might be the catalyst he needs to either f off or sign. Call his bluff. He suddenly loses any bargaining power with league clubs to get more money than currently on offer and might get a bit of a wake up call as to what he is worth in that code.

 

[cyclopath]

As a member of Gen Y, fuck off. I hate the whole generation argument, and this is just bollocks. It's like being one eyed about the team you support - you only see what confirms your prejudices and ignore that which doesn't. I would be happy if I never hear anyone say anything about 'generation' X, Y, Z baby boomers, whatever ever again.

What about hipsters?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

So the root cause of the "problem" with Gen Y and Gen X is actually Gen Old Fart.

We useless old bastards haven't raised our offspring well enough. We haven't enforced consequences, or insisted on discipline and respect for authority.

Little wonder the following generation is displaying the characteristics that they do.

We should not be surprised with the results of our efforts, dare I say it - the consequences of our actions.

 

[Mr Doug]

Having had a son who played club rugby, I wonder how Quade's parents feel about all this?

Does Mrs Cooper feel that Robbie has "stolen" Quade's free spirit, and if so, has anyone who knows her, ever heard her utter those famous words: "The dingo took my bay-bee"?!

 

[Dam0]

As far as I can tell, every generation thinks the one following it is appalling. Either humanity has been going to hell in a handbasket for the last few millenia or the older generations can't remember what they were like when they were young (and what adults said about them).

 

[Kangaroo Sausage]

As far as I can tell, every generation thinks the one following it is appalling. Either humanity has been going to hell in a handbasket for the last few millenia or the older generations can't remember what they were like when they were young (and what adults said about them).

Was about to post something remarkably similar. The "kids these days" argument has been around for centuries.

Wait for it - the next post will be "yes people have always said that but right now its really true"

 

[waratahjesus]

Hugh - I think my comments required that response, I didn't explain it well. At my age most of my friends have school age kids these days and I'm amazed at the lack of smacking, personal respinsability and say they have in what they do. I was raised a bit "old school" for what even my generation was but I knew if I stepped out of line it was going to result in a bruise. I think the new found perantIng of listening and acceptance is the problem gen y has. Everyone isn't equal, especially in sport. Discipline and consciquine is being lost as and as result it's breeding entitlement.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I wasn't being cynical in my statement that the root cause of the Gen Y "problem" is Gen Old Fart.

There are still plenty of parents in Gen Old Fart who have reared their offspring with discipline (not just physical discipline), respect for authority, and consequences. Their kids are generally the Gen Y's that don't fit the stereotype. There are plenty of Gen Old Farts who haven't done the above. Their kids generally fit the Gen Y stereotype.

Defining a generation of kids in a few simple sentences, platitudes, generalisations and buzzwords is about as scientifically legitimate as are the Zodiac sign predictions in the Newspaper.

 

[Ruggo]

Social standard is evolving as it has done in the past. Personally I don't like the direction it is heading but I don't think it is fair to judge it along generational lines. Numerous generations in our society find it ok to think they have rights before they have responsibilities.

 

[AngrySeahorse]

As a member of Gen Y, fuck off. Snip....

Yes, this gen argument is pretty ridiculous. I hate with a passion being lumped into the category that is Gen Y. Some bosses have told me my work ethic is "great for a gen Y" or in other cases "great for a chick" or "great for someone of Irish descent cause you guys are all drunks right?" - whatever generalisation is more dominant in the person seems to be the one that is expressed.

Using generalisations I may as well say the "Greatest Generation", responsible for some of the biggest fuck ups of all time, was inhabited entirely by a-bomb dropping manics who just wanted to destroy everything (I'm referring to the a-bomb testing at Bikini Atoll).

If I may go all 'sociological' for a moment, sub-cultures exist within major cultures. I'd look at the generation thing in a similar light. I believe that quite often the loudest sub culture within a generation seem to go on to define a lot of that generation to others - for better or worse. You'd be amazed how many people my age forget the wars & everything else that went on in the 60's & only refer to the hippies as the defining culture of that era. In gen Y's case it seems to me that those extroverts that talk the most & enjoy promoting themselves using social media are defining our generation (oh sweet lord!). The reality is that just like not everyone in the 60's was a hippie - not everyone in the current generation is a lazy, self centred twat.

Bringing it back to Rugby players I believe working with individuals in regards to their behaviour & managing them needs to be personalised to them. Everybody has different experiences & each different personality may be shaped differently by those experiences. This has less to do with things becoming more self-centred but more towards areas like Psychology realising not everyone can be bracketed in every instance.

I have to say discussing generations & generalisations is better than concentrating on the plight of the Wallabies at the mo or watching the Loig GF. Going by my mothers calls of "this is shit!" I'd say I'm not missing much being in another room.