Quade telling it how it is

[Inside Shoulder]

Speaking up? He hasn't said anything remotely useful.

He couldn't even hit the softballs the Rugby Club panel threw at him.

i feel better again.

 

[randalf8]

Its a weird state of affairs - because its right that many of us have been bagging Deans and the bosses and saying he has to go and yet we are in their calling out the bloke who has drawn attention to the problem we've nearly all been complaining about.
What is the process at work?
It has been an almost instinctive response - is it because its not the done thing in that it undermines the team?
Buggered if I can work it out. And i feel some guilt when it is pointed out.

His rambling is vague and incoherent. He's made several controversial remarks but they are all incredibly general. They help no one. The closest thing to a specific complaint has been that the camp was substandard. No elaboration on why or how, despite having 20 minutes to do it.

 

[jollyswagman]

His rambling is vague and incoherent. He's made several controversial remarks but they are all incredibly general. They help no one. The closest thing to a specific complaint has been that the camp was substandard. No elaboration on why or how, despite having 20 minutes to do it.

He made comment several times during the interview that the "facilities" available to the team were not to a standard that he thought they should be. What exactly he meant by "facilities" I am not 100% sure but in my long winded post earlier I suggested that "facilities" may be Cooper-speak for medical / rehab facilities. I am pretty sure he was not complaining about the team hotel or the tour bus.

 

[jollyswagman]

What? How is any of that relevant?

If he wants credit for whistleblowing, he needs to blow the fucking whistle, not just pull it out and show everyone that he has it.

There's nothing remotely useful about his twitter stuff or his appearance on TV. He "stands by" his comments but when offered several opportunities to actually articulate his concerns, he went into a Dennis Denuto routine.

If he has concerns that warrant the 1000 words you needed to come up with a reasonable defence for his rant, he needs to air them.

That we are shit on the field and that he is a dickhead are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, there is likely a causal relationship.

Mate, your response to my post was dismissive at best by simply chalking it up to QC (Quade Cooper) being a moron. I have agreed he is a moron, moved on from that and I am now wondering what the f**k he was alluding to. A moron he maybe, but I don't believe he is delusional.

 

[randalf8]

He made comment several times during the interview that the "facilities" available to the team were not to a standard that he thought they should be. What exactly he meant by "facilities" I am not 100% sure but in my long winded post earlier I suggested that "facilities" may be Cooper-speak for medical / rehab facilities. I am pretty sure he was not complaining about the team hotel or the tour bus.

And there you go - the need to be "pretty sure" about it, and use terms like "may be" because he refuses to actually say anything specific.

If he has a problem with the rehab program, he could have told us what the problem with the rehab program actually was, not "the facilities are shit bro".

 

[ACT Crusader]

randalf you're on fire. Take a breather man

Well done Swannies

 

[jollyswagman]

Yes, agreed. It would have been nice if he did. I am sure he has a valid gripe in there somewhere but unfortunately for QC (Quade Cooper) his persona and general intellect are doing him a great disservice.

 

[randalf8]

Mate, your response to my post was dismissive at best by simply chalking it up to QC (Quade Cooper) being a moron. I have agreed he is a moron, moved on from that and I am now wondering what the f**k he was alluding to. A moron he maybe, but I don't believe he is delusional.

I dismissed your post because it was a piece of creative writing (and not bad, actually). Whilst he babbles on like a moron and refuses to offer specific comments, I am going to simply chalk it up to him being a moron. I am not going to psychoanalyse him and neither should the ARU. He's a highly paid footballer, if he thinks the beds were shit at camp, or the doctor was too junior or the water tasted shit, he could easily say so.

 

[jollyswagman]

Yes, I wish he had just said so. That would have saved clowns like me from spending way to much of my time wondering what heck his problem with his "environment" are. I was just affording him more credit than was apparently due and left with little option other than to resurrect my dreams of becoming a published novelist. How much longer to kick-off?

 

[Waylon]

The problems with the environment apparently was that they were too far from the nightclub action

QC (Quade Cooper) has the self destruction gene

He has the world's most destructive manager

QC (Quade Cooper) has a rare talent that had the potential to transform Australian rugby into a feared attacking machine of yesteryear

I am an enormous fan of his talent. I respect a lot of what he does off the field with fans etc

His rant is an immature dummy spit following an insiders vent at his late night escapades.

The Beale, Cooper , JOC (James O'Connor) late night side show has become a destructive force within the team. Coopy poo didn't like a few senior wallabies tell him he was bang out of order and to pull his head in

There can be only one outcome from this. QC (Quade Cooper)'s ARU contract and Reds contract should have been torn up Friday. He can go and play subbies in Brisbane, head to minileague for peanuts or go and insult japanese people in karaoke bars in the

The belters on the rugby show,as ex wallabies, should have pointed out a few home truths

The Rugby Show needs to get rid of Marto as a beginning. He seemed to be inspired by d1ckheads info about Deans and seemed to be encouraging him.

It's a farking circus.

Time to get people in the wallabies that will spill blood for the jersey, be out of bed at 5AM running and doing weights instead of arriving home from a nightclub.

The culture is certainly toxic QC (Quade Cooper). It is those who are getting drunk and causing a public disturbance and arriving home at dawn full of p1ss and bad manners and missing recovery sessions and team photo shoots. That is why Australian rugby is not firing. That is why the culture is "toxic"

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I have seen the "interview" four times now. The first time, I was astounded at how poor and inconclusive it was.

The other times I have searched to find some goodness in it to prove my initial thoughts wrong. I just can't find anything "good" in it.

I have looked long and hard to try and find something justifiable and there isn't anything there.

I'm not happy about the Team Rehab situation.

I would like to been in the Wobs in the Coffs Harbour Pacific Paradise days. Is this the facilities that facilitate he was referring to.

I know of no International rugby team that has facilities that facilitate. Plenty of places have academies for the up and coming athletes.

I can't think of international teams in any other sport that have their own facilities that facilitate.

Clubs and provinces do.

I am at a total loss to understand any legitimacy for what he is saying. I fear for QC (Quade Cooper)'s stability. He is a talented athlete who is not performing for a variety of reasons. There have been a variety of examples of poor judgement, and this is just another one of them.
Things are going very bad for him at the moment and he appears to delusional about who is responsibile and why.

If the target is really JON and Dingo, then he has set back the campaign to move both on immeasurably.

 

[cyclopath]

OK.
I have deleted the obviously and even vaguely personal crap in Waylon's last post.
Here's a thought - if you have something vaguely new to add to this thread, which does not involve personally abusive stuff about other posters or public figures, fire away.
If you just want to add a differently worded version of any of about 50 other similar posts, don't.

 

[Waylon]

OK.
I have deleted the obviously and even vaguely personal crap in Waylon's last post.
Here's a thought - if you have something vaguely new to add to this thread, which does not involve personally abusive stuff about other posters or public figures, fire away.
If you just want to add a differently worded version of any of about 50 other similar posts, don't.

Thanks Mother Theresa. I'll say 3 hail Mary's

 

[Quade Cheapshot]

The Wallabies should do everything they can to keep Quade Cooper.

Let's not forget that a mere twelve months ago, every poster to this site was proclaiming Quade Cooper the best flyhalf in the world and some Rhodesian import as the best Openside.

And you were, one and all, correct.

Quade Cooper is a Wallaby Great and could go on to be the Greatest of All Time.

Definitely, definitely, keep him.

 

[Blue]

The Wallabies should do everything they can to keep Quade Cooper.

Let's not forget that a mere twelve months ago, every poster to this site was proclaiming Quade Cooper the best flyhalf in the world and some Rhodesian import as the best Openside.

Really?

There is as much truth in that stement as there is in the following:

"A Kiwi who calls herself Quade Cheapshot will survive longer than the first round of drinks on an Aussie rugby forum."

Please pay for your own beer, you won't have time to buy a round. Girls like you have a checkered history on this bored.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Good idea Cyclo.

I think all parties Team JON, Team QC (Quade Cooper) and Team G&GR should take a breather for a couple of days and let the normal process run its course.

Team JON and Team QC (Quade Cooper) to sit down face to face like professionals and discuss all the issues behind closed doors.

Team G&GR to await the outcome of the above.

In the meantime Team G&GR to get behind the Wobs tonight.

Edit: Special Leave is granted to Team G&GR Saffers who support that mob, just be very quiet about it, and pick up any mess you make. Do the dishes, lock the back door and turn the lights out before you go to bed.

 

[ag0044]

[Long-time lurker, recently joined up, first post.]

I've been following this thread for what seems like a long time, and it's been a fascinating read.

I'm not a Cooper fan and never have been. I think he's too inconsistent as a footballer - stunningly electrifying at times, amazingly useless at others. As for his personal life, I shudder.

On this recent controversy, I've read what I can and watched his appearance on "The Rugby Club". I do not have any idea what is this "toxic environment". Nothing he said, nothing he reportedly has written has enlightened me.

However, some partly-formed thoughts...

Would it be fair to say that his is the first generation that has no real knowledge or awareness of the amateur era or of amateurism?

Professionalism came to rugby in the mid-1990s[?]. While there was "shamateurism" before that, a lot of the responsibility was up to you. You had a day-to-day job, you trained a couple of nights a week with your club, you played on the weekend, and then retired to the bar. You did it for the love of the game and for the mate-ship. If you were deemed to be good enough, and if you worked really hard, you might just be allowed to pull on your country's jersey.

These days, if he's good enough, a kid gets signed up to a Super club while he is still at school. He's on a salary as soon as he leaves school. Rugby is his job. He's told by the club that he's fantastic. He trains a lot, but his workplace is the club.

And the club is his life. He doesn't have the reality-check that work-mates and the work-place can be, to bring him back to earth.

I am not trying to excuse Cooper. As "old school", I find his behaviour completely inappropriate, and believe that the game will be better off without him, overall.

I do think that we all - administrators, coaches, players, fans - have to accept that rugby as it was known (amateur) no longer exists, and that rugby today (professional) is completely different. It's no longer a game - it's a business.

 

[Mr Doug]

The Wallabies should do everything they can to keep Quade Cooper.

Let's not forget that a mere twelve months ago, every poster to this site was proclaiming Quade Cooper the best flyhalf in the world and some Rhodesian import as the best Openside.

And you were, one and all, correct.

Quade Cooper is a Wallaby Great and could go on to be the Greatest of All Time.

Definitely, definitely, keep him.

QC (Quade Cooper), yes mate, I'm glad I'd finished my BBQ dinner when I read this, (otherwise I'd have choked)! As the enemy, you would want us to keep Quade, but hey, guess what (as KRudd often said), it isn't gonna happen!!

I se him as a non team-sport person, like boxing, or darts, or BMX racing!

You know it makes sense, I'm Mr Doug.

 

[I like to watch]

How did you cook the lamb on the BBQ?

 

[Mr Doug]

How did you cook the lamb on the BBQ?

Medium-Rare!!