Quade telling it how it is

[blues recovery]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I just don't get this. If Quade has no Reds or ARU deal, then he has no leverage with league clubs unless he gets union offers from Europe. Not to mention that this whole scenario has, for most people, lessened their opinion of the bloke. What's the masterful end game? What's the ploy?

Its typical Nasser gorilla tactics. Cooper has to sign a deal with a province before he can start negotiation wuth ARU.Dont agree with the process but thats the process. Doesnt like the offer made by the ARU.( Is he really worthy of being the highest paid player in Australian Rugby by some factor). Now wants to get out of the deal and go to Japan for squillions or some other typical Nasser destination, maybe boxing (love to see that ). Doesnt want to lose face with the Reds so concocts this story about how terrible it is to play for the wallabies as a reason for refusing to sign and oh by the way just after his appaling performance against argentina.
Seriously watch his interview last night , then watch interviews with SBW when he walked out on Canterbury and then watch any interview with Mundine , CLONES.

 

[Torn Hammy]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I just don't get this. If Quade has no Reds or ARU deal, then he has no leverage with league clubs unless he gets union offers from Europe. Not to mention that this whole scenario has, for most people, lessened their opinion of the bloke. What's the masterful end game? What's the ploy?

I am assuming that he has several other deals on the table already given JON's 'take it or leave it' attitude.

I am pretty sure that SBW hasn't signed on the dotted line for the Roosters, so Nasser would be shopping the double deal of QC (Quade Cooper) and SBW. Maybe Quade won't have to call in the removalists after all.

 

[Braveheart81]

SBW definitely has not signed on the dotted line because he is banned from the NRL until the end of the year.

Also, the NRL won't let someone sign who is currently contracted in another sport. Once his stint finishes in Japan he will be free of both a rugby contract and his NRL ban.

 

[Brumby Jack]

I'm surprised Khoder Nasser hasn't tried for a boxing match between Quade and others to make up the shortfall in lost match payments.

 

[Richo]

A rather odd piece from Phil Lutton:

The main acts in all of this - the players - are yet to make a meaningful peep. Only injured halfback Will Genia has elaborated to any great detail, saying the Test in Africa will reveal the true character of the side. He's had a dollar each way.

Things may be all good and happy and peachy in the Wallabies, in which case Cooper will continue to find himself alienated from the group and even some of his Reds comrades. But if he's right, a notion some of his detractors don't seem willing to consider, then his fellow players shouldn't feel particularly proud about watching him flame out in public while they tow the company line.

Cooper has made his move. The most pressing question now is not where he will be playing next season - but whether anyone else in the game has the kahunas to either take him on or give credence to his concerns.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/reds/quade-goes-it-alone-20120928-26ppy.html#ixzz27jx0Gvwy​

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So, to be clear, he's calling for players in the team (all of them? senior ones? those with strong opinions?) to come forward and state whether they are pro- or anti-Cooper. Right. Great idea. I guess if you're a journo who wants page hits that would be a good idea. Beyond that, it's rubbish.​

 

[Richo]

I am assuming that he has several other deals on the table already given JON's 'take it or leave it' attitude.

I am pretty sure that SBW hasn't signed on the dotted line for the Roosters, so Nasser would be shopping the double deal of QC (Quade Cooper) and SBW. Maybe Quade won't have to call in the removalists after all.

See, this doesn't really make sense. If Quade simply wanted a better deal from the ARU, he would be trumpeting all the other offers he has and trying to force their hand. But there's nothing. No rumours about anything. No talk from the NRL. Maybe Japan or France will get on board, but nothing has been made public. That could happen in the coming days, I suppose. But right now I just don't see how this is good strategy.

 

[ACT Crusader]

A rather odd piece from Phil Lutton:

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So, to be clear, he's calling for players in the team (all of them? senior ones? those with strong opinions?) to come forward and state whether they are pro- or anti-Cooper. Right. Great idea. I guess if you're a journo who wants page hits that would be a good idea. Beyond that, it's rubbish.​

Lutton is also conveniently fence sitting and having a dollar each way.....

It's a lazy piece and has zero value add or insight.

 

[ACT Crusader]

See, this doesn't really make sense. If Quade simply wanted a better deal from the ARU, he would be trumpeting all the other offers he has and trying to force their hand. But there's nothing. No rumours about anything. No talk from the NRL. Maybe Japan or France will get on board, but nothing has been made public. That could happen in the coming days, I suppose. But right now I just don't see how this is good strategy.

It's not a good strategy IMO, but who knows what negotiations are going on behind closed doors. I think what someone inferred earlier about him not wanting to do wrong by the Reds who have "stuck by him" "allowed him to play" holds true. Talk/rumours/inklings of going elsewhere at this point of time would go against that and what he said last night.

BTW I heard there are a couple of test matches on this weekend

 

[Richo]

Its typical Nasser gorilla tactics. Cooper has to sign a deal with a province before he can start negotiation wuth ARU.Dont agree with the process but thats the process. Doesnt like the offer made by the ARU.( Is he really worthy of being the highest paid player in Australian Rugby by some factor). Now wants to get out of the deal and go to Japan for squillions or some other typical Nasser destination, maybe boxing (love to see that ). Doesnt want to lose face with the Reds so concocts this story about how terrible it is to play for the wallabies as a reason for refusing to sign and oh by the way just after his appaling performance against argentina.
Seriously watch his interview last night , then watch interviews with SBW when he walked out on Canterbury and then watch any interview with Mundine , CLONES.

So instead of losing face with the Reds, he decides to lose face with most of the Wallabies, establish a reputation as a whiner who'll undermine his team, coach and organisation? Does he want to go to Japan? Why isn't this public? If he wanted more from the ARU and had possible offers from Japan, he could say so. Instead he's burning his bridges. His Reds contract is top-up dependent anyway, right? So he could always get out of it anyway, if he really wanted to, by saying the ARU low-balled him.

So, after this ploy, if Quade has nothing with the ARU, why would a Japanese team pay him squillions? "Yeah, so I burned my bridges and the ARU doesn't want me back, but they were gonna pay me $800,000, so why don't we call it an even million? Choice, bruv."

SBW might have burnt them at the Bulldogs, but he certainly hasn't in NZ. They've already said they'll take him back when he's done adventuring.

 

[Torn Hammy]

Its typical Nasser gorilla tactics. Cooper has to sign a deal with a province before he can start negotiation wuth ARU.Dont agree with the process but thats the process. Doesnt like the offer made by the ARU.( Is he really worthy of being the highest paid player in Australian Rugby by some factor). Now wants to get out of the deal and go to Japan for squillions or some other typical Nasser destination, maybe boxing (love to see that ). Doesnt want to lose face with the Reds so concocts this story about how terrible it is to play for the wallabies as a reason for refusing to sign and oh by the way just after his appaling performance against argentina.
Seriously watch his interview last night , then watch interviews with SBW when he walked out on Canterbury and then watch any interview with Mundine , CLONES.

Always about the money with Nasser. And ego.

Always about the money with JON. And ego.

Sometimes you have to bend over and take it, but this will not happen here. QC (Quade Cooper) gone for me, sadly, and JON will remain 'utterly confused', sadly.

 

[gel]

Is a current Wallaby player who makes these sort of comments in public in the middle of our test season good for Australian rugby?

Absolutely not.

I presume that was directed at me given it was in my format...

I can't recall reading anywhere in this thread that anyone said it was the right way going about it. My post even said it: "Was/is his method of delivery apt? Nope."

I have deliberately not stated what I think the ramifications of his actions are at this time because, I think that more information than I have access to is required to be able to fully explore that side of things. I will never be in a position to know all the facts of what has gone on. Reading JON's missive and QC (Quade Cooper)'s ramblings I doubt either side are really telling the full story.

I do reiterate though that this behaviour is not unusual with gen y as a VERY general rule given their definitions of "liability" and "responsibility" appear to be "how comfy a mattress is" and "how soon they delivered my sushi roll after I ordered it" respectively. I have sort of always tuned out to the twitter comments as just a meaningless stream of consciousness anyway. I think QC (Quade Cooper) is probably just too proud to say "I fucked up and am sorry", which he should have done last night.

One thing is for certain though. He has made the wallaby backline move in ways it has not when he is not there. We are better off with him in the team. It is our loss.

This is not ALL his fault in anyway shape or form.

 

[Scoey]

Anybody who thinks this whole thing is not a cleverly contrived marketing ploy by nasser is kidding themselves.

I gotta ask, how this is in any way shape or form, a cleverly contrived marketing ploy from anyone, given that the subject of it all is going to be the biggest loser out of all of this? Yes he may go overseas to play and get a good deal over there, but if that's what he wanted, he wouldn't have to trash his reputation like this to achieve that. By doing what he's done, he's put himself in the line of fire, so I don't get the view that he's doing it for money.

If JOC (James O'Connor) and Lealifano were healthy, QC (Quade Cooper) would be the number 3 10 in australia based on his form since the start of the world cup.

Can't agree with that. JOC (James O'Connor) isn't even the best 10 at his club and Lilo is untested at Test level, so that is a big leap to say he would've been able to transfer his abilities to the test arena. Based on test form since the start of the world cup, QC (Quade Cooper) would still be the top 10 in Aus.

 

[Richo]

It's not a good strategy IMO, but who knows what negotiations are going on behind closed doors. I think what someone inferred earlier about him not wanting to do wrong by the Reds who have "stuck by him" "allowed him to play" holds true. Talk/rumours/inklings of going elsewhere at this point of time would go against that and what he said last night.

BTW I heard there are a couple of test matches on this weekend

I'm sure Nasser is involved to an extent, and I'm sure there are some kind of discussions behind closed doors. But I would imagine those have now shifted, at least on the ARU front, to "take your contract and apologise profusely, publicly, or we pull this thing off the table".

 

[Braveheart81]

I do reiterate though that this behaviour is not unusual with gen y as a VERY general rule given their definitions of "liability" and "responsibility" appear to be "how comfy a mattress is" and "how soon they delivered my sushi roll after I ordered it" respectively.

I don't think it is really specific to Gen Y, it is really just a character trait of young people.

I think young people at all points of history are prone to do dumb things. Gen Y are just young at a time when they have the ability to reach many people very quickly with their stupidity.

 

[Richo]

I gotta ask, how this is in any way shape or form, a cleverly contrived marketing ploy from anyone, given that the subject of it all is going to be the biggest loser out of all of this? Yes he may go overseas to play and get a good deal over there, but if that's what he wanted, he wouldn't have to trash his reputation like this to achieve that. By doing what he's done, he's put himself in the line of fire, so I don't get the view that he's doing it for money.

Not only that, he's massively reduced his leverage for an overseas contract! Why would they bid against no one for his services? Removing the ARU from the equation just makes no sense, which is why I really don't think this some cleverly orchestrated operation.

 

[TSR]

So instead of losing face with the Reds, he decides to lose face with most of the Wallabies, establish a reputation as a whiner who'll undermine his team, coach and organisation? Does he want to go to Japan? Why isn't this public? If he wanted more from the ARU and had possible offers from Japan, he could say so. Instead he's burning his bridges. His Reds contract is top-up dependent anyway, right? So he could always get out of it anyway, if he really wanted to, by saying the ARU low-balled him.

So, after this ploy, if Quade has nothing with the ARU, why would a Japanese team pay him squillions? "Yeah, so I burned my bridges and the ARU doesn't want me back, but they were gonna pay me $800,000, so why don't we call it an even million? Choice, bruv."

SBW might have burnt them at the Bulldogs, but he certainly hasn't in NZ. They've already said they'll take him back when he's done adventuring.

Yeah, agree - if this is some sort of marketing strategy to make more money there is either some sort of cunning behind it that is not yet clear or its an entirely stupid one. The ARU certainly aren't going to be revising their offer up.

 

[Mr Doug]

Has anyone seen today's ARU press-release?
Will be discussed on 2SM's Talkin' Sport after the 4pm news!

 

[Richo]

By the way, I think we need a name for this thing.

QuadeGate? The Cooperversy?

 

[blues recovery]

It's not a good strategy IMO, but who knows what negotiations are going on behind closed doors. I think what someone inferred earlier about him not wanting to do wrong by the Reds who have "stuck by him" "allowed him to play" holds true. Talk/rumours/inklings of going elsewhere at this point of time would go against that and what he said last night.

BTW I heard there are a couple of test matches on this weekend

There is and the best 10 in Australian Rugby will be playing in that postion for the Wallabies without the distraction of the chief influencer of off field crap. Go Kurtley .

 

[Torn Hammy]

See, this doesn't really make sense. If Quade simply wanted a better deal from the ARU, he would be trumpeting all the other offers he has and trying to force their hand. But there's nothing. No rumours about anything. No talk from the NRL. Maybe Japan or France will get on board, but nothing has been made public. That could happen in the coming days, I suppose. But right now I just don't see how this is good strategy.

Good point, but this is what he did with SBW and Mundine. Both the Dogs and St George had no idea of other deals.

Besides, I think that Nasser will get a deal/s that will make the 750K offered by ARU look like petrol money. I think that QC (Quade Cooper) is being genuine when he says that money is not that important. His real decision was 'does he still want to play with the Wallabies under the current structure'. Given the tone of the JON press release, I am assuming he just asked Nasser where he should sign that other deal.