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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I tell you - soon this will be the only thread we need
Quade telling it how it is
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Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
Richo, may I say that the word "toxic" has a feel of A. Mundine Jnr about it, so may I suggest "The Toxicity Affair"?
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
Or maybe "Toxic the Barbarian", as that's all Quade will be eligible for soon, (the Baa Baas), as a "former Wallaby"!!
Bye bye Quade!
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
First bit: If the "cleverly" was removed would you agree with that?
The second bit is spot on, IMO.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
It's actually correct punctuation. Where a quote extends across more than one paragraph, you don't close the quote until it ends, but you begin the new paragraph with quaotation marks to signal that the quote continues. It may look odd, but it's the right way to do it.
At the moment I find it tough going watching the Wallabies. When they win, it tends to be scrappy and workmanlike - there's no great attacking flair (apart from Ioane, at present). I suspect that people are blaming this on Deans and thinking that if Cooper had his own way, things would be better and brighter.
But I don't think that rises much above wishful thinking.
Fact: in the last twelve months, Cooper's form has been dreadful. He's a very talented player, no question. But I can't believe that the way he has played in the last year is Deans' fault. I seem to recall Mark Ella playing on the 1984-85 British isles tour under a coach with whom he had no rapport. Does anyone remember how that panned out? My point is that it's posible to play well for an extended period of time even if your coach isn't polishing your ego the whole while.
Here are some things that Deans can't do, and nor can any other coach. He can't win fast, clean ball for Cooper to use. Whoever plays 10 for Australia will have to put up with the best possession the forwards can provide (which is often slow and scrappy). Also Deans can't make the decisions on the field. If whoever plays 10 takes too long to decide what to do with the ball, then that's not the coach's fault. It wasn't Deans' kick that was charged down against Argentina.
I have no way of knowing this for sure, but Deans is a pretty pragmatic guy, and my guess is that he thinks that Cooper is a giant pain in the behind, but wishes that he was in form and playing well. That's pretty much my position too. I also suspect that Cooper has an agent telling him that he's a genius who can name his price in France or Japan or the NRL or wherever, and there will be people happy to pay. Well, maybe (though I don't think Cooper is as saleable a commodity as SBW). But ideally, instead of that, Cooper could be learning a bit of humility and learning to take responsibility for his own performances rather than looking to blame the people around him. if he did that, who knows how good he might become?
It may just be that what Cooper thinks of as a "toxic" environment is simply one in which people speak plainly about the expectations they have of each other.
Scoey
Tony Shaw (54)
First bit: I'm still not sure. As far as marketing ploys go, it was always going to go this way I reckon. But I'm saying that with 20/20 hindsight. So for that reason I struggle to see it as a marketing ploy. Problem is that I'm not convinced that it is 100% aimed at bettering the Wallabies "environment" either. Close to 100% maybe? Dunno.
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Peter Johnson (47)
Quade saying he'd turn down a gold jersey is both incredibly disrespectful to the wallaby tradition and incredibly fucking stupid for his public image.
You can disagree with the game plan, the selections, they way the team is run etc. but when a player get the call up, I'd like to think they are able to put all that aside, accept the honour and give it their best shot.
I dont think quade is going anywhere, but it is going to be a long road back to gold, even with link in charge.
You can disagree with the game plan, the selections, they way the team is run etc. but when a player get the call up, I'd like to think they are able to put all that aside, accept the honour and give it their best shot.
I dont think quade is going anywhere, but it is going to be a long road back to gold, even with link in charge.
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Dick Tooth (41)
that may be true or not, but deans clearly has a hard on for JOC (James O'Connor) and on the end of year tour there was no disputing that JOC (James O'Connor) was the favourite 10 for deans.
Lealifano might have been unproven but he absolutely would've gotten a test start had he not been injured and given cooper and JOC (James O'Connor) injuries, had he been healthy he probably would've started the wales series as well with barnes at 12.
i don't think quade's test form would see him stay at 10 were there more competition. had he not injured himself, i'd bet money he would be on the bench this weekend (if he accepted the call up)
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
yellow, if you don't mind
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
Scoey
Tony Shaw (54)
I presume you're talking about test form because for the handful of games he played for the Reds he was quite good. In the last 12 months QC (Quade Cooper) has played 7 games. He has only played 3 games in the past 11 months, since his injury, so in terms of form we should only be judging him on these 3 games. Because lets face it, if pre injury form counted we would still be lauding Benn Robinson as the best prop in the game etc etc.
Recently, there have been plenty of Wallabies that have displayed dreadful form, particularly in the last 3 games. Therein lies the problem. The whole team isn't travelling well, so ask why? This is Quade's point I believe. What is Deans doing about it? What is the whole administration doing about it? You say that Deans is probably wishing he was in form and playing well. He's the head coach of the Wallabies, he should be doing more than wishing.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
He should have no supporters after that, if people didn't think he was a wanker, now they should.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Scoey when they come for me and say my form has been shit for the last 12 months I want you in my corner!
Scoey
Tony Shaw (54)
Agree with the first two points.
Disagree with the third. If QC (Quade Cooper) was fit this week, and none of this crap had happened (so taking the politics out of it - going on form alone and RD's usual selection strategies) the team would've been unchanged. Yes Beale is being given a shot but he's hardly been able to hold down fullback of late.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I liked this article by Paul Cully, even more relevant now after Quade's comments on The Rugby Club about not wanting to play for the Wallabies
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/26/the-wallabies-needed-more-of-douglas-and-less-of-cooper/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/26/the-wallabies-needed-more-of-douglas-and-less-of-cooper/
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randalf8
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Quade's flashy shit doesn't work when it counts anyway. He's got what it takes to be part of sides that can defeat the boks (about half the time) and everyone below them (almost all of the time) but so have all the other solutions we've had at 10 since Larkham retired.
The guy shits the bed against the ABs and for my money that means he can fuck off if he doesn't like the colour of the money he's getting.
I'd rather be shit than settle for distant 2nd, but some people have a different view and that's cool.
The guy shits the bed against the ABs and for my money that means he can fuck off if he doesn't like the colour of the money he's getting.
I'd rather be shit than settle for distant 2nd, but some people have a different view and that's cool.
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John Solomon (38)
Yeah that comment is pretty indefensible & I definitely can't get behind that. I don't think he's a wanker though, he's just doesn't seem particularly bright away from a football.
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