Quade telling it how it is

[fatprop]

Thanks for proving my point.
1. Always comes back to this one hey. Players niggle other players - it's Rugby man. But saying that Quade 'likes' to niggle a particular player says you know what QC (Quade Cooper) thinks - and you don't. Plain and simple.

Ah no, forwards can niggle other forwards or backs who get in their way. Show pony backs just can't, especially those who do cheap shot niggles to forwards, they should be beaten to a pulp either during the game or afterwards.

 

[Brisbok]

Thanks for proving my point.
1. Always comes back to this one hey. Players niggle other players - it's Rugby man. But saying that Quade 'likes' to niggle a particular player says you know what QC (Quade Cooper) thinks - and you don't. Plain and simple.
2. No he didn't - nor did most of the Wallabies - none of which are being crucified.
3. No he hasn't - nor have most of the Wallabies - none of which are being crucified.
4. The real issue. The guy states in 140 characters or less that he's frustrated and that he's not being able to play the way he wants. I think the most that should be said is that he should pull his head in and grow up a little.

2. None of the other Wallabies choose to come across as cocky as Quade did prior to the RWC. "I thrive under the pressure........more than happy to be public enemy number 1"

4. Did you miss the part about the "toxic environment"? He is criticising everyone from the coach to the ARU yet the most that should be said is that he should pull his head in and grow up a little?

Outsider's from other countries and sporting codes are astounded by the lack of response from the ARU to these comments, but you feel that being told to grow up and pull his head in will be sufficient?

 

[Braveheart81]

Yeah of course he's fueling the fire - I don't disagree. I'm simply taking exception to the public flogging he's being given - it's pretty over the top. But c'mon BH, they're not publicly commenting on QC (Quade Cooper)'s outburst but several players have spoke to Journo's and been reported. Sorry, but that's publicly commenting. Where's the outcry for the players that have spoken to the media about QC (Quade Cooper) - above the team and all that.

This is what happens in life. If you turn yourself into a martyr and publically criticise the organisation that you are part of, you end up being shunned by that organisation.

If this was in relation to another place of employment, he'd have probably been fired by now.

People react very poorly when someone who barely has a leg to stand on comes out and publically criticises something they are part of.

I am not really trying to provide an opinion as to whether or not this should be happening to Cooper. In my experience though, when someone goes off the reservation like this, it does not end well for them.

 

[I like to watch]

Saw AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) interview, no love for QC (Quade Cooper).
Basically said the squad will not be distracted by him.
Could easily have laughed it off as being "just QC (Quade Cooper) being QC (Quade Cooper)", but he didn't.
It may well be he is toeing the company line, but either way it's not a good sign for QC (Quade Cooper).

 

[I like to watch]

This is what happens in life. If you turn yourself into a martyr and publically criticise the organisation that you are part of, you end up being shunned by that organisation.

If this was in relation to another place of employment, he'd have probably been fired by now.

People react very poorly when someone who barely has a leg to stand on comes out and publically criticises something they are part of.

I am not really trying to provide an opinion as to whether or not this should be happening to Cooper. In my experience though, when someone goes off the reservation like this, it does not end well for them.

Exactly, imagine any other workplace where you are renegotiating your contract and you are walking around telling everyone the boss is a tool.
Talk about shitting in your own nest.

 

[Braveheart81]

Exactly, imagine any other workplace where you are renegotiating your contract and you are walking around telling everyone the boss is a tool.
Talk about shitting in your own nest.

It's more than that. It's telling them that their workplace is crap and the company is doing everything wrong.

Quade is making it very difficult for other players still engaged in the Wallaby setup to stick by him.

Players won't jeopardise their Wallaby careers and aspirations to stick up for their mate Quade. Very quickly he will just not be their mate anymore.

 

[Torn Hammy]

Khoder Nasser is a very smart guy who has made millions for his clients. This is an excellent article about Nasser and what motivates him. By my rough calculation he will organise earnings of $4 million for SBW in the next 12 months plus sponsorships.

'Nasser explains that whenever he makes a deal he canvasses all the possibilities but keeps one final option up his sleeve. “It's the option,” he says, “to be able to say to the other side, 'Go f… yourself ', and then walk out of the room.”

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/lord-of-the-ring-20100727-10taz.html


One interesting part is how he gets off on all the outrage expressed here and in other media. He must be very excited at the moment.

 

[Scoey]

2. None of the other Wallabies choose to come across as cocky as Quade did prior to the RWC. "I thrive under the pressure....more than happy to be public enemy number 1"

4. Did you miss the part about the "toxic environment"? He is criticising everyone from the coach to the ARU yet the most that should be said is that he should pull his head in and grow up a little?

Outsider's from other countries and sporting codes are astounded by the lack of response from the ARU to these comments, but you feel that being told to grow up and pull his head in will be sufficient?

Yeah I do think that would be sufficient. Plenty of people in this thread alone have stated that they would probably let the issue slide if he was playing well. To me that speaks volumes. Fucking fickle crowd. Highlights the fact that it's not what he's done that's the issue - more the fact that he's not playing well and did what he did. Two very different scenario's.

 

[Scoey]

Exactly, imagine any other workplace where you are renegotiating your contract and you are walking around telling everyone the boss is a tool.
Talk about shitting in your own nest.

But that's just it. Yeah he shat in his nest, but did he say that J'ON or RD is a tool? Did I miss a tweet?

He has done himself no favours at all and as BH has said, this will prob end poorly for him, but this is what I take issue with, people that don't like QC (Quade Cooper), use this to bang on about how much of a knob he is or how arrogant he is etc. When what they are actually reacting to is what they read into what he said.

 

[Braveheart81]

Khoder Nasser hasn't really done much for the reputation and public opinion of his clients. Mundine is a pretty unpopular figure. He certainly burnt every bridge he had in rugby league on his way out.

If his boxing career hadn't worked out, he certainly wouldn't be in the good position he is in now.

SBW has done well in rugby by playing some brilliant football. It will be interesting to see how he is still perceived in the NRL. I guarantee he will be booed a fair bit and by more than just Bulldogs fans. If he hadn't been able to make a strong entrance to Super Rugby and make himself an All Black, the decision to turn his back on the NRL wouldn't have looked like a good one.

Whether he has done good by Quade Cooper remains to be seen. Quade has chosen the absolute worst time possible to burn his bridges with the ARU. He is injured and has been playing poorly. If a transition to the NRL doesn't suit him or he continues to have injury problems, what will he do.

I can't imagine boxing being a success for him. I'd certainly back Anthony Mundine to beat the crap out of him and he'd currently be a couple of weight classes lighter than Cooper.

 

[biggsy]

Well Cooper has confirmed he will stay at the reds for the next 3 years after a chat with reds boss. Which is great news.....

But I think we have to start thinking about Quades health. It has been 48hrs since his last tweet. Reports coming through that he has been found curled up in the corners of his place with cold sweats and rocking side to side. Yelling shorts Burst of sentences just enough for a tweet at his phone. Sonny Bill has also been report heading over to give him a big BRUV hug. BRUV is kiwi for brother fellas. I'm from the south side of brisabne I know this shit.

 

[matty_k]

Just on the niggling/stupid stuff on the field thing.

I remember Dan Carter tripping up George Gregan as George was about to take a quick tap after a penalty once.
I remember Sir Richie kicking out at QC (Quade Cooper) after QC (Quade Cooper) legally cleared him out of a ruck.

Are we making character judgements about players over silly indiscretions on the field? Or should we just ignore moments like these?

 

[Scotty]

Saw AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) interview, no love for QC (Quade Cooper).
Basically said the squad will not be distracted by him.
Could easily have laughed it off as being "just QC (Quade Cooper) being QC (Quade Cooper)", but he didn't.
It may well be he is toeing the company line, but either way it's not a good sign for QC (Quade Cooper).

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is pretty good at looking after himself though. He shows it every time he takes the field, when ignoring better positioned player outside of him to take the run himself!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

we get hand fed info by the media

Point of order: this whole thread concerns something handed to us by the media. The medium was twitter. The hand was guiding the fingers of one QC (Quade Cooper).
On your other points: you are doing a sterling job defending him you deserve full marks for loyalty.
Do you think its mere coincidence that Carter is squeaky clean (I mean its not like the British tabloids wouldn't expose him if they could - he is a worldwide star - even if you think the whole of NZ is in on a conspiracy to cover up the debauched DC) and is the best 5.8 in the world, maybe ever and QC (Quade Cooper) is lying on the couch watching South Park* with his knee in a brace?

*This is mere speculation used to illustrate the point. Further, i do not wish it to be thought that I am suggesting that South Park is either good or bad or that its just the sort of crap he would watch.

 

[emuarse]

Great postings by Bowside (#522) and Scotty (#524).
probably the best of this thread in regard to why QC (Quade Cooper) did what he did.

I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong, but the above posts do give major reasons for his frustrations.

 

[I like to watch]

But that's just it. Yeah he shat in his nest, but did he say that J'ON or RD is a tool? Did I miss a tweet?

He has done himself no favours at all and as BH has said, this will prob end poorly for him, but this is what I take issue with, people that don't like QC (Quade Cooper), use this to bang on about how much of a knob he is or how arrogant he is etc. When what they are actually reacting to is what they read into what he said.

Well he tweeted that he is not allowed to play his game.That conservative tactics were a bad idea.That the culture was toxic,that there would be a cleanout of Wobbly staff shortly.
So no he didn't call RD a tool, just that his tactics were poor,and that team harmony was at an all time low,and that RD was for the chop .I don't think paraphrasing these things and saying he called him a tool is taking poetic licence.

 

[fatprop]

Just on the niggling/stupid stuff on the field thing.

I remember Dan Carter tripping up George Gregan as George was about to take a quick tap after a penalty once.
I remember Sir Richie kicking out at QC (Quade Cooper) after QC (Quade Cooper) legally cleared him out of a ruck.

Are we making character judgements about players over silly indiscretions on the field? Or should we just ignore moments like these?

Well the All Blacks and New Zealand in general clearly didn't ignore it

There is no planet in the known universe where a show pony back should be celebrated for this type of stuff

This is how a back shows dominance over a forward

 

[Schadenfreude]

Why do you guys keep referring to Deans performance,when discussing QC (Quade Cooper)'s poor behaviour?
Relevance is zero.

There's just one of me.

It's because nothing happens in isolation. And I'm able to hold more than one thought in my mind at a time.

 

[I like to watch]

Yeah I do think that would be sufficient. Plenty of people in this thread alone have stated that they would probably let the issue slide if he was playing well. To me that speaks volumes. Fucking fickle crowd. Highlights the fact that it's not what he's done that's the issue - more the fact that he's not playing well and did what he did. Two very different scenario's.

Actually, I have always believed that QC (Quade Cooper) got special considerations,due to the belief by many north of the border that he was absolutely essential to a winning Wobbly side.
There are a few off field situations he has been involved in that would have spelt the end for a fringe player.
On the field, he has been considered so special that they moved him so he didn't have to tackle,and then they selected a 12 to babysit him, to eliminate his brain farts.
Now that his form is less than stellar,people are commenting that he is no longer worthy of special treatment.
Clearly by the ZERO backing from the current squad, he is beating to a different drum.
It's a team game,he needs to be a team player.He needs to shut up, get fit and get with the program.
If he doesn't like the program then fuck off.

 

[meatsack]

Just on the niggling/stupid stuff on the field thing.

I remember Sir Richie kicking out at QC (Quade Cooper) after QC (Quade Cooper) legally cleared him out of a ruck.

While there are no kiwis about, I think its safe to admit that was barely a kick from Richie. His foot got hooked around Quade's leg and then he straightened it quickly. Quade's reaction made it look like a kick.