Quade telling it how it is

[Inside Shoulder]

Well I don't kick so that's a positive.

You may not fit in

 

[redstragic]

, to doing circlework on Springwood High Schools Oval with Robbie Dean's niece in the car.

Classic imagery.

 

[biggsy]

doing circlework on Springwood High Schools Oval with Robbie Dean's niece in the car.

Not possible any more mate, they have full 8 foot fence around the school now to stop students coming in a night vandalising.

 

[Mr Doug]

My first though reading that was - what are Kurtley and Digby doing up, out and about at 2 am during the Rugby CHampionship? I suppose you could argue that they've just started adjusting their body clock early as they flew to SA later that day.

The Sunday Mail makes the Courier Mail look like the New York Times.

The actual accident as they describe it, Mr Doug, is pretty innocuous. For all we know it could have been anything from backed off the driveway into a garden bed by mistake, to doing circlework on Springwood High Schools Oval with Robbie Dean's niece in the car.

vidiot, you have identified the problem here, (unlike others), given that the plane for South Africa was leaving Sydney at 10 am that same morning!
As I said in my post, no criminality, speed or drink-driving was suggested, however, whilst it may be ok for others in this forum to class this as acceptable behaviour, I can't.
IMO, some of the Wallabies appear to be infected with the same "virus" as the Australian swimming team!

 

[Brisbok]

Interesting comments from Paul Cully @ the Roar on Quade - no prizes for guessing that he's not from Queensland.

Regardless, from a purely rugby perspective it has become clear that over the past 18 months he has become a player rival coaches actually like plotting against.

His game was unpicked by the Irish at the Rugby World Cup – first identifying his frailty under the high ball and then grabbing an intercept from a miracle pass – and it has not been stitched together since.

There was no more telling moment in the Gold Coast Test than the second the cameras went to the Argentina box after Cooper had knocked on a bouncing ball.

In the corner Graham Henry could be seen firing off a few words towards the small screen on which they view instant replays. He had seen it all before under different employers but the repeats seemed to be giving as much pleasure.

It’s also why Argentina kept trying to hit the more difficult back of the lineout ball with the game in the balance. An accurate throw opens up the No.9-No.10 channel to attack and they had some success – Cooper charging out of the line to put a shot on the No.12 and bouncing off as Argentina ploughed forward.

He is not alone. Two weeks ago the Springboks successfully ran Frans Steyn against Aaron Cruden and made inroads.

Cruden has found the going tough in the past two Tests and his place in the 22 is under threat from Beauden Barrett. It is not because Steve Hansen can’t coach or the All Blacks won’t let him have fun like at the Chiefs.

Frankly, Test rugby is brutal. That’s why so few make it, and even those that do might be chewed up and spat out.

Cooper’s outbursts carry the anger and frustration of a player who has been found out and can’t yet find the solution. If he is trying to find it in Super Rugby he is looking in the wrong place.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/26/the-wallabies-needed-more-of-douglas-and-less-of-cooper/

 

[Scoey]

I haven't met Dan carter.
But I've never heard of a stupid tweet of his.
I've never heard of him going on with rubbish at contract renewal time.
I've never heard of him drinking on the morning of a game. (KB (Kurtley Beale) AND QC (Quade Cooper) reportedly in the bar before the Auckland test after midnight) (note: heard - this isn't about the truth of it, at the moment).
I've never heard of him nicking a laptop, climbing trough a window to do so.
I've never heard of him getting into biffo with a bouncer with a fellow AB.

This is exactly my point. What we know about these blokes is what we hear on TV, in the papers, on twitter or from some bloke on an internet forum that had a mate who thinks he saw so and so doing something or other. And from this unquestionably solid platform, we are happy to make all sorts of judgements on a person's character and state of mind. I saw a movie once about a Kiwi who beats his missus. DC's a kiwi so he probably beats his missus too. See? It's stupid.

"Wallabies stars (I hate that expression), Quade Cooper, Kurtley Beale and Digby Ioane were believed to have been involved in a late night car accident just hours before players boarded a plane to South Africa". "The trio ended up bogged after the accident about 2am on Thursday on Brisbane's southside the Sunday Mail was told".
"It's the second road incident this year invoving Cooper and Beale after their rental car crashed into another vehicle in Melbourne in February".
There were no allegations of criminality, drink-driving, or speeding, but really, I'm over these two over-paid, immature under-performers!
I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned in this, or any other thread, but frankly, such reports of repeated stupid behavior are starting to wear thin with me, particularly when they invove a third player of the calibre of Digby Ioane.

A Sunday Mail reporter heard that a few early 20-something blokes got stuck late at night when they weren't doing anything wrong and you're ok with shutting the door on two current Wallabies. But not Digby - he's clearly just an innocent victim because he's not under-performing. I'm not sure I like where that might land us. If we tolerate "stupid behaviour" if the players are playing well we might find ourselves on a slippery little slope.

 

[Mr Doug]

This is exactly my point. What we know about these blokes is what we hear on TV, in the papers, on twitter or from some bloke on an internet forum that had a mate who thinks he saw so and so doing something or other. And from this unquestionably solid platform, we are happy to make all sorts of judgements on a person's character and state of mind. I saw a movie once about a Kiwi who beats his missus. DC's a kiwi so he probably beats his missus too. See? It's stupid.



A Sunday Mail reporter heard that a few early 20-something blokes got stuck late at night when they weren't doing anything wrong and you're ok with shutting the door on two current Wallabies. But not Digby - he's clearly just an innocent victim because he's not under-performing. I'm not sure I like where that might land us. If we tolerate "stupid behaviour" if the players are playing well we might find ourselves on a slippery little slope.

Scoey, Digby isn't a serial offender, and he is also smart enough to modify his behaviour, whereas, IMO, the other two aren't.

 

[barbarian]

This is exactly my point. What we know about these blokes is what we hear on TV, in the papers, on twitter or from some bloke on an internet forum that had a mate who thinks he saw so and so doing something or other. And from this unquestionably solid platform, we are happy to make all sorts of judgements on a person's character and state of mind. I saw a movie once about a Kiwi who beats his missus. DC's a kiwi so he probably beats his missus too. See? It's stupid.

Yes but I think you can make certain judgements when what you 'see on TV' is court appearances and nightclub incidents. I don't think you can make massive, clinical judgements about his character and motivation, but it does tell you something.

Whereas DC has never been in any situation like Quade in terms of court or team disciplinary issues. In the media he has always carried himself with dignity and class (no eight-second press conferences, surprisingly).

So I think you can make a few judgements there.
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[Scoey]

Scoey, Digby isn't a serial offender, and he is also smart enough to modify his behaviour, whereas, IMO, the other two aren't.

You say serial offender but what did they do wrong this time?

 

[fatprop]

Sounds like QC (Quade Cooper) is staying put at the Reds for the 3 years now.

good, the guy should be focused on getting fit and working on improving his personal performance

 

[Scoey]

Yes but I think you can make certain judgements when what you 'see on TV' is court appearances and nightclub incidents. I don't think you can make massive, clinical judgements about his character and motivation, but it does tell you something.

Whereas DC has never been in any situation like Quade in terms of court or team disciplinary issues. In the media he has always carried himself with dignity and class (no eight-second press conferences, surprisingly).

So I think you can make a few judgements there.
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It's not uncommon for those types you see outside court appearances for horrible things that were pillars of society before they were busted. Just because the media reports some things, doesn't make it true and conversely, just because we don't know about it - doesn't mean it's not happening. So again my point, we get hand fed info by the media and then hang people out to dry based on these often biased info. I'm guilty of it too, don't get me wrong. I just think that it's been taken to an absurd level by some on this thread.

 

[barbarian]

So all the nightclub incidents, court dates etc. are all bias exaggeration by the media?

Meanwhile Dan Carter is living a seedy double-life no-one knows about?

I understand your point but think you are taking it a bit too far.
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[FrankLind]

This is exactly my point. What we know about these blokes is what we hear on TV, in the papers, on twitter or from some bloke on an internet forum that had a mate who thinks he saw so and so doing something or other. And from this unquestionably solid platform, we are happy to make all sorts of judgements on a person's character and state of mind. I saw a movie once about a Kiwi who beats his missus. DC's a kiwi so he probably beats his missus too. See? It's stupid.

We do know certain things about Cooper from watching TV, papers, and even Twitter, They actually happened you know. They weren't an illusion.

1. He liked to niggle McCaw in 2011 - including a knee to his head when McCaw was on the ground.
2. He did not play that well in the World Cup.
3. He has not played that well this year with multiple cock-ups.
4. After being put out of the game with an injury, he publicly criticizes the coach and ARU on Twitter.

It's pretty standard to draw conclusions from this behavior. What conclusions are drawn are, of course, up to each individual. But at least it could be said he should pull his head in and grow up a little. Fair enough? And then let's pretend he actually a great guy.

 

[Dan54]

I think we may all be missing Quade's point, the toxic culture in Aus rugby he talks about maybe himself and sidekicks,it could be a plea for help!!

 

[Braveheart81]

You don't think if there was dirt on Dan Carter someone would be reporting it?

Assuming that the only reason that we hear about Quade Cooper is because the media has it in for him seems pretty shortsighted to me.

The reality of this situation is that Quade Cooper has done a tremendous job of burning bridges.

I doubt you could do a worse job of managing your public profile and interests within Australian Rugby than he has done now. If he keeps it up he will burn bridges outside of rugby as well. He is increasingly looking like a loose cannon that teams/organisations will be hesistant to become involved with.

 

[Scoey]

So all the nightclub incidents, court dates etc. are all bias exaggeration by the media?

Meanwhile Dan Carter is living a seedy double-life no-one knows about?

I understand your point but think you are taking it a bit too far.
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No not at all. Some, sure but not all.

And no, I only used DC as inside shoulder mentioned him first. He does appear to be a classy dude.

But yes, I am taking it too far, but I'm doing so to illustrate some of the absurdity of others as justification for their QC (Quade Cooper) dislike. Goes both ways.

 

[Scoey]

You don't think if there was dirt on Dan Carter someone would be reporting it?

Assuming that the only reason that we hear about Quade Cooper is because the media has it in for him seems pretty shortsighted to me.

Probably - but everyone's got skeletons in their closet.

I didn't say the media had it in for him. Just that their reporting is biased. They're in the business of selling headlines and accurate factual reporting generally doesn't do that. Not saying they make it up, but they slant the story so we come to the sensational conclusion ourselves. Quade in headlines sells. Simple.

 

[Braveheart81]

Quade is providing the fuel for the fire himself.

If he didn't want to be attracting attention (and at the moment you'd have to say it is entirely negative), he should stop tweeting rubbish.

No other players are mouthing off about Australian Rugby on twitter. He is alone and it is going to burn him. It probably already has.

Today's SMH article states:

The Wallabies have publicly opted not to comment on Cooper's outburst, but privately several have admitted to being furious with what he said. As one team source told the Herald last night: ''Some of the senior players are over him [Cooper].''

It is known Cooper did not endear himself to several teammates with his abrupt seven-second press conference in Sydney before he headed to Auckland for the Bledisloe Cup Test. They are also not impressed in him attempting to transfer the blame onto others following his poor performance in the last Test against Argentina on the Gold Coast.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...recall-as-cooper-fires-up-20120925-26jgx.html

As others have stated, no one is bigger than the game. The first thing that will happen if Cooper continues down this path is that he will lose the faith and support of his teammates.

 

[Scoey]

We do know certain things about Cooper from watching TV, papers, and even Twitter, They actually happened you know. They weren't an illusion.

1. He liked to niggle McCaw in 2011 - including a knee to his head when McCaw was on the ground.
2. He did not play that well in the World Cup.
3. He has not played that well this year with multiple cock-ups.
4. After being put out of the game with an injury, he publicly criticizes the coach and ARU on Twitter.

It's pretty standard to draw conclusions from this behavior. What conclusions are drawn are, of course, up to each individual. But at least it could be said he should pull his head in and grow up a little. Fair enough? And then let's pretend he actually a great guy.

Thanks for proving my point.
1. Always comes back to this one hey. Players niggle other players - it's Rugby man. But saying that Quade 'likes' to niggle a particular player says you know what QC (Quade Cooper) thinks - and you don't. Plain and simple.
2. No he didn't - nor did most of the Wallabies - none of which are being crucified.
3. No he hasn't - nor have most of the Wallabies - none of which are being crucified.
4. The real issue. The guy states in 140 characters or less that he's frustrated and that he's not being able to play the way he wants. I think the most that should be said is that he should pull his head in and grow up a little.

 

[Scoey]

Quade is providing the fuel for the fire himself.

If he didn't want to be attracting attention (and at the moment you'd have to say it is entirely negative), he should stop tweeting rubbish.

No other players are mouthing off about Australian Rugby on twitter. He is alone and it is going to burn him. It probably already has.

Today's SMH article states:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...recall-as-cooper-fires-up-20120925-26jgx.html

As others have stated, no one is bigger than the game. The first thing that will happen if Cooper continues down this path is that he will lose the faith and support of his teammates.

Yeah of course he's fueling the fire - I don't disagree. I'm simply taking exception to the public flogging he's being given - it's pretty over the top. But c'mon BH, they're not publicly commenting on QC (Quade Cooper)'s outburst but several players have spoke to Journo's and been reported. Sorry, but that's publicly commenting. Where's the outcry for the players that have spoken to the media about QC (Quade Cooper) - above the team and all that.