Quade telling it how it is

[Bowside]

I don't blame the reds supporters for backing Quade so heavily, but I'd lay money Quade is privately wishing he didn't hit send. His tweets were utterly inappropriate, showed no respect to Deans, the Wallabies, or even to rugby.

If you go back and look at what quade has actually said, both on twitter and in the papers, I think it is pretty clear he has made a conscious decision to say what he has in the hope that it will spur on change in the ARU, and that will benefit Australian rugby.

I don't see a call to be bolder in the way the team plays as lacking respect to rugby. I do however see the scheduling of stupid test matches by the ARU with second string XV's as disrespectful to rugby. Furthermore I see the signing of horrible TV deals in which test matches are shown on delay and strung out with Ads as disrespectful to the rugby community.

I dont see a deep desire to win games and beat the All Blacks as disrespectful to the wallabies. I do however see the constant losses to lower ranked teams as disrespectful to the wallabies legacy. Not to mention the utterly defeatist comments that deans made following the towelling his team received at the hands of the all blacks a few weeks ago.

The only comments I see as disrespectful are the ones directed at deans, but Dean's performances as coach have been just as bad as Coopers as a player.

Those sticking the boot into quade are making this issue out to be black and white - criticism is always utterly inappropriate. But the reality is that this issue is as grey as they come.

I, along with many on this forum, the press and the general public have been saying similar things to what quade has said for a years now. I think in this case criticism is warranted, as the consequences of not doing anything, of continuing to slide towards mediocrity and very possibly losing the lions tour, are far more damaging to rugby than any short term bad press or damaged egos.

 

[Bowside]

On a side note, there are going to be some fascinating books written in a few years about this period of Australian rugby.

 

[Scotty]

Great post bowside.

We copped losses to Scotland and Samoa, we copped chopping and changing game plans, we copped losing to the Irish at the world cup, we copped the insanity of not taking a backup to Pocock to the world cup, we have copped an overly defensive selection and game plan.

But the straw that broke the camels back for me was Deans' defeatist attitude after the last Bledisloe. How could he ever prepare a team properly to attempt to beat the best with that attitude? Has he always had those thoughts?

His statement of his views after that game were grounds for dismissal.

 

[Scotty]

No I reckon it's coz Will is from Queensland and we all know that the rest of the world hates you lot.

The point was he picked a bloke that was much less likely to speak out against him.

 

[Mr Doug]

Mrs Doug, who, like me is a passionate Reds fan, says Quade should switch to the NRL, and take Kurtley with him.

Her comment came after we read the Brisbane Sunday Mail of 23 September, where David Murray reported that "Wallabies stars (I hate that expression), Quade Cooper, Kurtley Beale and Digby Ioane were believed to have been involved in a late night car accident just hours before players boarded a plane to South Africa". "The trio ended up bogged after the accident about 2am on Thursday on Brisbane's southside the Sunday Mail was told".
"It's the second road incident this year invoving Cooper and Beale after their rental car crashed into another vehicle in Melbourne in February".

There were no allegations of criminality, drink-driving, or speeding, but really, I'm over these two over-paid, immature under-performers!

I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned in this, or any other thread, but frankly, such reports of repeated stupid behavior are starting to wear thin with me, particularly when they invove a third player of the calibre of Digby Ioane.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Mrs Doug, who, like me is a passionate Reds fan, says Quade should switch to the NRL, and take Kurtley with him.

Her comment came after we read the Brisbane Sunday Mail of 23 September, where David Murray reported that "Wallabies stars (I hate that expression), Quade Cooper, Kurtley Beale and Digby Ioane were believed to have been involved in a late night car accident just hours before players boarded a plane to South Africa". "The trio ended up bogged after the accident about 2am on Thursday on Brisbane's southside the Sunday Mail was told".
"It's the second road incident this year invoving Cooper and Beale after their rental car crashed into another vehicle in Melbourne in February".

There were no allegations of criminality, drink-driving, or speeding, but really, I'm over these two over-paid, immature under-performers!

I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned in this, or any other thread, but frankly, such reports of repeated stupid behavior are starting to wear thin with me, particularly when they invove a third player of the calibre of Digby Ioane.

Yeah, my cousin's aunty told my mum they were jay walking as well!!

 

[I like to watch]

Great post bowside.

We copped losses to Scotland and Samoa, we copped chopping and changing game plans, we copped losing to the Irish at the world cup, we copped the insanity of not taking a backup to Pocock to the world cup, we have copped an overly defensive selection and game plan.

But the straw that broke the camels back for me was Deans' defeatist attitude after the last Bledisloe. How could he ever prepare a team properly to attempt to beat the best with that attitude? Has he always had those thoughts?

His statement of his views after that game were grounds for dismissal.

How does this have any relevance to QC (Quade Cooper) tweeting inappropriately?
If stating that the AB's were too good after beating you to nil are grounds for dismissal.
Then your mate should have been hung drawn and quartered years ago.
I won't bother listing his off field indiscretions, just remember his 9 missed tackles against the Poms, how the fuck he ever got near a jersey again amazes me.
Face facts, he is not in his best form,he has a recurring knee injury.he has poor off field behaviour. He is now facing a pay cut and he is throwing his toys out of the cot.
And saying Deans is a fuckwit or a joke or is incompetent changes none of these things.

 

[Schadenfreude]

How does this have any relevance to QC (Quade Cooper) tweeting inappropriately?
If stating that the AB's were too good after beating you to nil are grounds for dismissal.
Then your mate should have been hung drawn and quartered years ago.
I won't bother listing his off field indiscretions, just remember his 9 missed tackles against the Poms, how the fuck he ever got near a jersey again amazes me.
Face facts, he is not in his best form,he has a recurring knee injury.he has poor off field behaviour. He is now facing a pay cut and he is throwing his toys out of the cot.
And saying Deans is a fuckwit or a joke or is incompetent changes none of these things.

Cooper has the potential to improve. Deans however has made it his mission "To not lose by too much", it's boring and a waste of talent.

 

[JJJ]

League would love to get him under these circumstances. It'd buy into their narrative of boring kick-clap yawnion vs brave, exciting, adventurous loig. They also know he isn't a player unwilling to bash his former code in comparisons. Plus they can mock his defensive frailties with "he might've been able to get away with that in union but not in league". So it's a pretty effective way to enhance his marketability without actually, you know, playing better...

 

[I like to watch]

Cooper has the potential to improve. Deans however has made it his mission "To not lose by too much", it's boring and a waste of talent.

Why do you guys keep referring to Deans performance,when discussing QC (Quade Cooper)'s poor behaviour?
Relevance is zero.

 

[en_force_er]

Ok - you're starting at 10

Well I don't kick so that's a positive. I can't pass too well though, so we're pretty equal to usual in that department.

All in all a slight improvement.

 

[Brumby Jack]

Sounds like QC (Quade Cooper) is staying put at the Reds for the 3 years now.

 

[ChargerWA]

I get that you're trying to make an analogy, but lets try and keep it less personally insulting please.

It might have been worth it if it was a decent analogy.

You are correct, my apologies. Deans seems like a thouroughly decent person. It can be difficult to sometimes disassociate the person with the title, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.

 

[Mr Doug]

Yeah, my cousin's aunty told my mum they were jay walking as well!!

Given that your cousin's aunty and your mum are most likely the same person, and given that people actually have to be outside a vehicle to be charged with jaywalking, I will dismiss that comment as being nothing more than a bad example of nocturnal sarcasm, or maybe you were attempting to exemplify the true meaning of your "name"?

 

[ChargerWA]

Why is it that most of the posts saying Quade is immature and should pull his head also reference his current poor form?

Would his passionate call to arms / undermining of an underperforming coach be OK if he was playing well?

I'm not making a comment, i'm just curious as the link is quite clear.

 

[waratahjesus]

If a player calls for the team to be better, shouldn't that player be a stand out leader with unbelievable form asking his fellow teammates to follow him into battle? Not a hot/cold dude with a rap sheet?

 

[vidiot]

the Brisbane Sunday Mail of 23 September, where David Murray reported that "Wallabies stars (I hate that expression), Quade Cooper, Kurtley Beale and Digby Ioane were believed to have been involved in a late night car accident just hours before players boarded a plane to South Africa". "The trio ended up bogged after the accident about 2am on Thursday on Brisbane's southside the Sunday Mail was told".
"It's the second road incident this year invoving Cooper and Beale after their rental car crashed into another vehicle in Melbourne in February".

My first though reading that was - what are Kurtley and Digby doing up, out and about at 2 am during the Rugby CHampionship? I suppose you could argue that they've just started adjusting their body clock early as they flew to SA later that day.

The Sunday Mail makes the Courier Mail look like the New York Times.

The actual accident as they describe it, Mr Doug, is pretty innocuous. For all we know it could have been anything from backed off the driveway into a garden bed by mistake, to doing circlework on Springwood High Schools Oval with Robbie Dean's niece in the car.

 

[biggsy]

ARU are FUCKED
And Cooper is awesome.

There I said it.

 

[Dam0]

It'd actually be very interesting to see the reaction of the NZ public if Quade did a reverse Brad Thorn and played league for the Kiwis (with his mate Sonny Bill).

All he'd have to do is tick a box to be eligible.

If he does go to league, the Kiwis would be his best chance at international football. Probably he would be more interested in playing State of Origin though.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

If he does go to league, the Kiwis would be his best chance at international football. Probably he would be more interested in playing State of Origin though.

more interested in watching it - and it can be watched from Auckland