Quade telling it how it is

[HG]

It wasn't a "niggle". It was knee to the head.

Who gives a flying f--k, grow a set and get over it!

 

[Lee Enfield]

This one has been trotted out a bunch of times, so I'm not trying to picking on you, Lee. Sorry.

Why is it so hard to see that there is a difference between Quade Cooper - a member of the Wallabies, who played in their last test, who played at the World Cup, who makes a significant proportion of his income from being a member of the Wallabies - and people posting on this forum? That difference is actually at the heart of the problem for Quade and why his teammates haven't come out in support of his comments (who knows what they are saying privately). If you're a member of an organization, especially one so well-remunerated, you need to act like it. Some seem to think that Quade is some kind of poor, oppressed guy who, after suffering under the terrible reign of Robbie, had no choice but to take to Twitter with a great cry for freedom.

Come off it.

Many of his comments may be true and I certainly agree with a number of them. But to think this wasn't unprofessional or poor treatment of his teammates is pretty one-eyed. Has he requested private meetings with Deans? With the ARU? Has he expressed his opinion through the captain or the leadership group? Has he called crisis meetings with the players? Has he sought counsel with older players? I don't know the answer to these things, no one does. Until we do, we might want to stop imagining Quade as some kind of freedom fighter.

I agree it was unprofessional, that is where Quade needs to know his role and why some humility wouldn't go astray. I wouldn't say I am defending him, I certainly understand his frustration, but I don't think his course of action is the right way to go about things, that is where the knowing when to hold or fold em comes in. Ultimately, we don't know enough to know what has and hasn't been said between all the parties. From an outsiders view, Camp Wallaby hasn't seemed like a happy place for a while now.

I am just trying to find some postives out of this debacle, and the only positive I can see is this could be the start of the necessary changes. I am sick of hearing the team placing the All Blacks on a pedestal and accepting that close enough is good enough and I am sick of hearing the same old tired excuses that get trotted out after every loss.

 

[HG]

If you were playing incredibly, putting in a massive effort (first to training, last to leave) and were being let down by the team, the coach, the structures etc. and your comments were falling on deaf ears within the organisation you would have more grounds to go public with your criticisms.

To use the old biblical phrase, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Unfortunately in this situation it is more a case of "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

You have no idea what work Cooper puts in at training or getting back from injury sitting behind a desk in NSW. lets face it no matter what Cooper does you will never support him because he doesn't ware sky blue on his back.

 

[#1 Tah]

You have no idea what work Cooper puts in at training or getting back from injury sitting behind a desk in NSW. lets face it no matter what Cooper does you will never support him because he doesn't ware sky blue on his back.

Isn't that the point of separate teams and competitive sport?

 

[waratahjesus]

You have no idea what work Cooper puts in at training or getting back from injury sitting behind a desk in NSW. lets face it no matter what Cooper does you will never support him because he doesn't ware sky blue on his back.

Get out from under your rock, it isn't a qld v nsw debate, this is about the national team and a member of it going into business for himself.

 

[HG]

Get out from under your rock, it isn't a qld v nsw debate, this is about the national team and a member of it going into business for himself.

Of course not! And i never said it was. However there does seem to be a lot of bull shit been spewed by those south of the boarder!

 

[ChargerWA]

Why is it so hard to see that there is a difference between Quade Cooper - a member of the Wallabies, who played in their last test, who played at the World Cup, who makes a significant proportion of his income from being a member of the Wallabies - and people posting on this forum?

Yes, the difference is that Quade is part of the team and actually knows what is going on first hand. People postiing on the internet are largely speculating.

If he was in any other organisation he would be what is called a whistleblower. WA actually has specific legislation to protect whistleblowers. What his detractors seem to want him to do is shut up and maintain the status quo, can't go upsetting the old boys club, can we now. Never speak out about the company.

Society has grown, we expect honesty and transparency from Company CEO's and boards in regards to their performance. Yet when Quade does it he is disloyal, despite saying what 95% of the rugby watching already suspect/know, he was just the first person from within the organisation to say it publically.

I can't figure out why there are different rules for Sports teams and companies?

 

[waratahjesus]

Of course not! And i never said it was. However there does seem to be a lot of bull shit been spewed by those south of the boarder!

The "BS" is coming from north and south. Just that south is about the issue, north is about deflecting it.

 

[waratahjesus]

If he was in any other organisation he would be what is called a whistleblower.

I can't figure out why there are different rules for Sports teams and companies?

In what organisation would a member of the workforce going public saying they don't like the way the organisation runs be whistle blowing?

If nothing illegal is going on, as in this case then the correct term is "having a whinge".

 

[I like to watch]

Yes, the difference is that Quade is part of the team and actually knows what is going on first hand. People postiing on the internet are largely speculating.

If he was in any other organisation he would be what is called a whistleblower. WA actually has specific legislation to protect whistleblowers. What his detractors seem to want him to do is shut up and maintain the status quo, can't go upsetting the old boys club, can we now. Never speak out about the company.

Society has grown, we expect honesty and transparency from Company CEO's and boards in regards to their performance. Yet when Quade does it he is disloyal, despite saying what 95% of the rugby watching already suspect/know, he was just the first person from within the organisation to say it publically.

I can't figure out why there are different rules for Sports teams and companies?

A whistleblower?
Using twitter?
If he had a pre conceived plan to expose the rotting carcass,any fool would understand the issue is too complex to be outlined in under 140 characters.
Why has he deleted the tweets, why is he in no comment mode?
The dumb prick had a moan on twitter and it has blown up in his face.
Otherwise he would have issued further statements clarifying his position,but instead he deletes the evidence.

 

[barbarian]

Yes, the difference is that Quade is part of the team and actually knows what is going on first hand. People postiing on the internet are largely speculating.

If he was in any other organisation he would be what is called a whistleblower. WA actually has specific legislation to protect whistleblowers. What his detractors seem to want him to do is shut up and maintain the status quo, can't go upsetting the old boys club, can we now. Never speak out about the company.

Society has grown, we expect honesty and transparency from Company CEO's and boards in regards to their performance. Yet when Quade does it he is disloyal, despite saying what 95% of the rugby watching already suspect/know, he was just the first person from within the organisation to say it publically.

I can't figure out why there are different rules for Sports teams and companies?

It's pretty obvious I would have thought. A rugby team is not a corporation for starters.

Comparing Quade to a 'whistleblower' is highly insulting to the courage shown by whistleblowers who expose corporate fraud and other offences.
.

 

[Scoey]

Get out from under your rock, it isn't a qld v nsw debate, this is about the national team and a member of it going into business for himself.

Sorry WJ but the QLD v NSW was brought up by the non-QLDers first quite a few pages ago. It shouldn't be, but in the words of kindy kids everywhere - they started it!

 

[waratahjesus]

It's a wallaby issue and should be treated as such.

 

[Scoey]

Agreed but the QLD/NSW stuff has been flying thick and fast for a while mate.

 

[Braveheart81]

You have no idea what work Cooper puts in at training or getting back from injury sitting behind a desk in NSW. lets face it no matter what Cooper does you will never support him because he doesn't ware sky blue on his back.

I can guarantee you my reaction would be the same to any Wallaby exhibiting this sort of behaviour.

My previous point was really that the only time when someone could come out in public and say the things Cooper has and for it to be acceptable would be if that person was the shining light of professionalism, skill and hard work amongst a group of lazy, drunken amateurs.

Clearly that is not the case.

 

[HG]

At the end of the day Gen Y communicate through social media, this is the way Cooper has communicated for a long time now.
The fact is that the ARU are fucked and is Deans and his hopeless staff. Cooper is a part of a business that is in the shitter and he feels that he needs to blow the whistle on the bullshit that is going on. Sure most players if not all would never do that because they don't want to loose their meal ticket. Cooper doesn't care if he does because it seems to him that it has gone any way with deans as coach. Nothing to loose maybe some good comes from it so he tweets his frustrations. I say we all knew here that there are some major issues with the crap going on and the lack of direction. Well some good may come of all this and Cooper may have stirred up enough of a hornets nest that will get the ARU to act.

 

[Scoey]

Happens at the reds few years back," said another, referring to back-room problems at the QRU before an administrative and coaching cleanout which resulted in a reversal of fortunes.

Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/quade-coopers-future-in-rugby-may-be-on-shaky-ground-after-tweeting-about-robbie-deans-and-aru/story-e6frf55l-1226479790160#ixzz27XVqx3FD

Happens at the Reds few years back = RD is for the chop? Geez, long bow you're using there. There is fine line between using poetic licence and just making shit up. But ok, if you say so.

 

[Braveheart81]

I highly doubt it is going to stir anything up apart from Cooper not getting a new contract from the ARU.

Your post about Cooper being out of the team under Deans would make more sense if he hadn't started the last three tests. When he is fit and healthy he is part of the team.

Trying to argue now that he is gone anyway with Deans as coach is just ignoring reality.

What bullshit is going on in the team or at the ARU? Cooper is the only one who has complained and subsequently he has removed his comments rather than elaborated on them.

At the moment all it appears to be is a whinge that he has then backed away from.

 

[I like to watch]

/Cooper is a part of a business that is in the shitter and he feels that he needs to blow the whistle on the bullshit that is going on. Sure most players if not all would never do that because they don't want to loose their meal ticket. Cooper doesn't care if he does because it seems to him that it has gone any way with deans as coach.

Then why isn't he fronting up for interviews giving details of what he perceives is wrong?How about a press release drafted by his managerto clarify his position?
Why no follow up tweets?
Why delete some of his tweets if he is fighting for truth,justice and the Cooper way?

 

[I like to watch]

Happens at the Reds few years back = RD is for the chop? Geez, long bow you're using there. There is fine line between using poetic licence and just making shit up. But ok, if you say so.

“I love rugby but there’s s–t going on behind and above the players the effects the whole organisation! Happens at the reds few years back.”
His next tweet complained about only being allowed to play between feb & may.
What do you think he meant?