Quade telling it how it is
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biggsy
Chilla Wilson (44)
Might be 4 corners to back into but you can't hide In ring. Trust me I've tried. Bit like his life at the Moment, (cooper) fighting someone who fights back harder. (ARU) he will score a unknown boxer just like his boyfriends do.
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
Despite all the energy on both sides of the argument I think that most people will honestly feel deprived that they won't get the chance to see if he could have come back from his injuries and RWC disappointment to become a great player.
The guy could do some amazing things (on the field) and as rugby battles to be entertaining the intrigue around his comeback will be missed.
Something that seems to have been overlooked is just how popular Cooper is with kids.
Kids are simple in their approach, they watch rugby, like a particular player and become more interested in that individual than the team.
Funnily enough kids don't read the papers either.
The guy could do some amazing things (on the field) and as rugby battles to be entertaining the intrigue around his comeback will be missed.
Something that seems to have been overlooked is just how popular Cooper is with kids.
Kids are simple in their approach, they watch rugby, like a particular player and become more interested in that individual than the team.
Funnily enough kids don't read the papers either.
Bullrush
John Hipwell (52)
$13K for every Test you play isn't enough?? On top of apparently $400K from the Reds?
He's not worth as much because he's proven to be a risky investment. The man went on TV and talked shit about his employer before he'd even secured any deal with them. Yes, he's been punished but that doesn't automatically mean he's still worth the same money as he was prior to the crap he pulled.
If my son takes my car out one morning and trashes it on purpose, he'll get home and get punished probably with a kick up the arse and no allowance or something. But I don't just throw him the keys again that night and tell him to have a good time do I? No...he has to earn that trust back again.
QCs value or liability to the ARU is more than just what happens on the field.
biggsy
Chilla Wilson (44)
Trying to think when there was a good game at test level for wallbies in past few years,before I answer when coopers had is best game.
i will get back to answer your post. Might be awhile. At This stage I'm going back to a Italy game years back.
Ignoto
Greg Davis (50)
Selective memory? Must have forgotten how Beale got stood up by Dagg in the first Bledisloe. Too long ago? Well there's the time he didn't even touch Michalak in a game in Paris. You must have also forgotten how Beale kicked the ball dead from a kick off on the weekend to.
All players make mistakes, all players miss tackles. To say otherwise is stupid.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
The pass mark for many in Gaggerland for our Coach seems to be his performance/resilts against The Darkness.
Surely then, the performance/ability/contractual worth of our stars should also be measured in terms of their performances against the Darkness?
Surely then, the performance/ability/contractual worth of our stars should also be measured in terms of their performances against the Darkness?
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
That's as bad as saying "it's obviously not a punishment to anyone who isn't a one eyed Reds' fan."
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
At 15, those mistakes weren't under pressure either. Also a one off game. There's a pattern to Quade's mistakes, his mentality isn't up to Test level - he thinks he can do it all and doesn't reign it in.
I like to watch
David Codey (61)
If only Kurtley could tackle like Quade!
If we are going to list career tackling low points, poor old Quade would be shamed.
Torn Hammy
Johnnie Wallace (23)
Knox.
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
Pardon Recent.. the guy hasn't had a good test match in well over a year... Quade is the most talked up player in Australian Rugby history please give it a rest... he is ROCKS or DIAMONDS at best... mostly fields of rocks... Genia made the guy look better than he was... And I mean was...
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
When was the last time that Lealiifano had a good game at test level at 10?
When was the last time that J'OC had a good game at test level at 10?
When has Beale strung more than one good game at test level at 10 in a row?
Then there's Barnes, who has shown he is less of an option at 10 than Cooper.
Yet people are saying these guys are our future at 10 at test level and Cooper is not.
Yes, we know you hate Cooper. I politely suggest you look past your bias for once. You'll be hard pressed to find someone that won't say that Cooper hasn't been a complete goose and screwed up.
On the flip side, I, for one, can't see how anyone can't see it's the ARU basically saying "screw you" to Quade after fining him $40k, plus $20k and 3 games suspended. The biggest cheer leaders for the reduced contract are the guys here who hate Cooper, which should tell you something. Meanwhile, it seems the Reds management agree the ARU punishing or forcing out Quade with the rookie contract offer.
Regarding Cooper saying it's not about the money: I have heard many people in my industry in Australia say that (I'm in an industry that is paid a lot less here than in the States, for example), but if their employer cut their pay, you can bet they'd piss off to a rival company, or join the finance industry, or go overseas.
You see, people can accept less than what others get in a different industry or overseas. But pay them less than the other people in their business, or gyp them on a bonus because they say it's not about the money, and the feel undervalues and insulted. Then just watch them leave.
Now, Cooper could have been exaggerating about it not being about the money, and likely he was. But it's not a strong argument at all.
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
Ash you didn't answer your own question, "when did Cooper last have a good game at test level?"
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
That was Qwerty's question. Ash's point was that you could ask the same question about all our potential 10's. English comprehension 101.
matty_k
Peter Johnson (47)
The Roosters can't fit him in until 2014 and if it hasn't been mentioned yet QC (Quade Cooper) will be having a press conference on Monday.
http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-union/uni...-fit-cooper-in-until-2014-20121120-29o5p.html
http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-union/uni...-fit-cooper-in-until-2014-20121120-29o5p.html
rotary hoe
Peter Burge (5)
Last good game at test level? I do recall him putting guys in holes for tries/near tries in his 3 tests this year which is what he is there for, Kurtley has done this once(off a set move).I agree with the comment that Kurtley looks much better in space, get him back to FB.
Quades test form 'slump' coincided with super coaches decision to stick 2 non ball playing-stepping-kicking centres next to him in 2011. Fairly easy for the defence to target him and shut down any semblance of attack,no threat at all next to him. He copped all the blame , no wonder he got the shits!
Shame we won't get to see him play for Australia next to Taps.
I totally agree his behaviour has brought this all on but nonetheless it is a great loss to Rugby, he put bums on seats,sparked conversation and kids loved him.
He will brain it in League.
Quades test form 'slump' coincided with super coaches decision to stick 2 non ball playing-stepping-kicking centres next to him in 2011. Fairly easy for the defence to target him and shut down any semblance of attack,no threat at all next to him. He copped all the blame , no wonder he got the shits!
Shame we won't get to see him play for Australia next to Taps.
I totally agree his behaviour has brought this all on but nonetheless it is a great loss to Rugby, he put bums on seats,sparked conversation and kids loved him.
He will brain it in League.
Joe Blow
Peter Sullivan (51)
I thought his game on the weekend was his best at 5/8. The week before he tried to do too much himself and was easy for the Frogs to pick off. He also missed a lot of tackles.
Against the soap dodgers he had Taps and a lot of front foot ball. His defence was monumental. I watched the game again last night and he was taking down everything that moved in the light puce jersey and created all sorts of problems for the defence. His kicking game was also much better. Cannot wait to see him play outside Genia.
It would be best for the Wallabies if they could have QC (Quade Cooper) and Beale available.
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