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rara10
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Maggie go back to post 1158 and actually read it i agreed with you. It is you that is that angry that you only read what you want to.
NSW U16 Trial Games and Selections 2011
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Maggie go back to post 1158 and actually read it i agreed with you. It is you that is that angry that you only read what you want to.
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magpie4ever
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See my comment at 1176, do you want to argue names, that will just continue on and on. Come on guys, tell me why my proposal would not work or why it is worst then the present system. For the sake of world peace, I will ignore the maggot comment.
dermo
Larry Dwyer (12)
A dozen? that would mean there would be 13 CCC boys selected and for a team that didnt even make the final at schools that would be a real case of bias ! Wake up to yourself, GPS out played every other team at schools and deserve there high selection numbers
wreckless
Bob Loudon (25)
Hey TF5 - I know this is an U/16's thread but noticed your affiliations! UWA 31 - Kalamunda 17 on the weekend ( played at the "graveyard" for visiting teams at Kalamunda! ). I'm looking forward to seeing how the WA boys go at Nationals. Same for VIC - NSW Country are touring VIC before City-Country to tune up ( 2 games ). Should be good for the Cockatoo's combinations.
dermo
Larry Dwyer (12)
1 thing that is wrong with your proposal is the cost. to run a 1 week camp with full boarding and the like would cost far to much just to pick 1 of the 3 NSW teams
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magpie4ever
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Dermo, who's talking 13 CCC boys. Comment about the proposal, not my allegiance to CCC.
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magpie4ever
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Could be, definitely would need support from the ARU. But, you pick all NSW teams (3) from the trials.
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Dingdong
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Hey Wreckless, I was just talking to my country contact and he says they'll use the Vic tour to settle on positions 3,9 and 13 before they take on City. May the best players win !!
dermo
Larry Dwyer (12)
And if the ARU is putting money into it you can bet your bottom dollar they will want a big say in selections which will mean NTS boys getting favourable selections. Every system we implement will be flawed, but i think the one we have at the moment is a good one.
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magpie4ever
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Ok, then maybe look for a corporate sponsor - reckon 10,000 grand would cover the student accomodation used & the players' meals.
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Dingdong
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On a lighter note maggy, I think we agree on one thing. I assume you're an old Magpie supporter, so am I. Can count on 1 hand games I missed during 70's early 80's at Lidcome Oval.Happy with the merge, got an uncle who played in Balmain '69 winning team.
dermo
Larry Dwyer (12)
Funny, i love the tigers, though im old balmain supporter
wreckless
Bob Loudon (25)
This tour will be a good opportunity for that - and same sentiments DD! I was looking at your suggested run on team for NSW Country and imagining how this would work based on your idea of "NSW Country Origin"! The current team is a great bunch, we have both commented on how they have stepped up - but imagine if they had Sandell, Hawkins, Jono Hardy, Pennisi, Davis, Crossley, Jennings, Delore ( all from last years U/15's Cockatoo's! ) to fit in! That would be a dilemna any coach would love!
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magpie4ever
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Not happy at all mate, if I'm wasn't playing on their game days myself and friends were there, then back to the Lidcombe Hotel. Still cant say go you tigers, it is go wests. My boys were more accepting of the mer, mer, mer just cant bring myself to say that word.
dermo
Larry Dwyer (12)
Seeing as Hardy didnt make GPS does he qualify for country selection? I would assume so if they picked Tulloch
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David Codey (61)
Did 14 GPS kids play good enough footy to be selected? probably
Would 14 GPS kids been selected had they been pepper & salted throughout the other 7 odd sides? I very much doubt it.
There is a massive advantage to be playing in a squad with 14(eventual) squad members when playing other sides with only one or two (eventual)Squad members.
That's not rocket science,FFS put me in the Qld Reds side and play against Warringah & I would look good (but I am not!).
By all means pick School association teams and let them play one or two games, scrap the finals & pick the best 60 kids & get them to play as individuals(as in not representing a School Association) in two games, it would be a much fairer and more comprehensive trial than the current model.
Would 14 GPS kids been selected had they been pepper & salted throughout the other 7 odd sides? I very much doubt it.
There is a massive advantage to be playing in a squad with 14(eventual) squad members when playing other sides with only one or two (eventual)Squad members.
That's not rocket science,FFS put me in the Qld Reds side and play against Warringah & I would look good (but I am not!).
By all means pick School association teams and let them play one or two games, scrap the finals & pick the best 60 kids & get them to play as individuals(as in not representing a School Association) in two games, it would be a much fairer and more comprehensive trial than the current model.
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magpie4ever
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Hybrid of my proposal - interesting
wreckless
Bob Loudon (25)
Probably could have Dermo - but didn't play rep for his district (due to his school committments I believe) at Country Championships so ineligible for selection for Country.
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magpie4ever
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I was hoping Sir CTPE and Lord Newbie would comment on my proposal but they seem strangely quiet tonite.
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Bill McLean (32)
If it works in NZ; why not try it here?
Gentlemen,
It is my intention to now provide you with my (long winded) solution to help bring a cessation to the hostilities in this room ... lmao ... jeez you go away for a week and the bedlem breaks out! Here goes!
Approximately 5 or 6 years ago I was attending a school football game between two school teams, it was a game I dubbed ‘The Battle of the West’. It was between Granville Boys HS v. Westfield Sports HS. At the time I think GBHS had one player in the Australian School’s team and Westfield had 3-4 players (correct me if I wrong here gentlemen). Notwithstanding the bone crunching spectacle I seen that day (in fact the physicality of the match put the fear of God into me), what was important for the current topic here was the man I got to speak with. It was definitely one of the Ella brothers (but not Mark). Given that he was thin I have always assumed it was Gary i spoke with. As it stood I was never going to ask if he was Gary. Heaven forbid, I was talking to Australian rugby royalty and I was not going to offend the man with my ignorance (I will presume that all know of Gary Ella).
In the 5-10 minute conversation I had with Gary I asked for his thoughts on Australian rugby, in particular how could Australia avoid the peaks and troughs that teams like NZ and SA are generally able to avoid? According to Gary Australian rugby, unlike NZ and SA, lacked the necessary depth. He then pointed to the game we were watching and said we need to give these boys a fairer go! When he elaborated on his statement he said that most of the boys we were watching needed sustained and regular exposure to stronger competition. In other words schools such as the ones mentioned above needed to play against rugby specialist schools such as those in the GPS and CAS associations on a regular basis. In fact this is what occurs in New Zealand!
To exemplify what I am saying please read the following extract pertaining the ‘POWERHOUSE’ Auckland province. From my understanding it was written in 2007 by John Mackenzie who was commissioned by the English RFU to assess the Australian and New Zealand systems for schoolboy rugby talent identification. The article is titled, ‘Talent Identification in Australia and New Zealand and a Potential Way Forward for Schools’ Rugby Here’. the extract states:
“In the Auckland region of New Zealand the top twelve schools play each other in the A Grade, with twenty four teams involved in the B Grade in a further two pools of twelve teams. There is promotion and relegation at the end of each season, with a mix of State and Independent schools in each league. At the start of the season each school is asked to nominate its top five players to a central database that is co-ordinated by the schools’ development department at Auckland Rugby. After each league fixture the coaches nominate players from the opposition schools who stood out in their fixtures; their names are added to the database. When it comes to the time for selecting Regional sides to play in the Auckland Championships, the coaches effectively decide how many players in each position they want for their squad and then take the ranking players from the database. There are no trials or development days to influence the list of players, as the selected players are taken directly from the information submitted by the respected coaches on a weekly basis. The squads that are finalised play in the Auckland Provincial Championships, with the potential to be selected to represent Auckland in the National Championships Festival against Canterbury, Wellington, etc, from which the All Blacks U18s are selected. This process, again, does not clash with school fixtures in any way, taking place during the half-term holidays.”
What are your thoughts gentlemen? When responding please bear in mind that the above article has neglected to mention that club teams are also included in the abovementioned competitions. Ultimately I find it very intriguing (and enticing) that club and school teams could play in the same competition; playing each other week in, week out; better still having one peak body overseeing the selection of a representative team.
As it stands Auckland provincial rugby is very strong, moreover Sydney is becoming strikingly similar to Auckland (the actual city) with its large and growing Polynesian communities in south-western and western Sydney. In Auckland the same communities are largely in south Auckland (especially in Manukau).
Regards,
Newbie.
Gentlemen,
It is my intention to now provide you with my (long winded) solution to help bring a cessation to the hostilities in this room ... lmao ... jeez you go away for a week and the bedlem breaks out! Here goes!
Approximately 5 or 6 years ago I was attending a school football game between two school teams, it was a game I dubbed ‘The Battle of the West’. It was between Granville Boys HS v. Westfield Sports HS. At the time I think GBHS had one player in the Australian School’s team and Westfield had 3-4 players (correct me if I wrong here gentlemen). Notwithstanding the bone crunching spectacle I seen that day (in fact the physicality of the match put the fear of God into me), what was important for the current topic here was the man I got to speak with. It was definitely one of the Ella brothers (but not Mark). Given that he was thin I have always assumed it was Gary i spoke with. As it stood I was never going to ask if he was Gary. Heaven forbid, I was talking to Australian rugby royalty and I was not going to offend the man with my ignorance (I will presume that all know of Gary Ella).
In the 5-10 minute conversation I had with Gary I asked for his thoughts on Australian rugby, in particular how could Australia avoid the peaks and troughs that teams like NZ and SA are generally able to avoid? According to Gary Australian rugby, unlike NZ and SA, lacked the necessary depth. He then pointed to the game we were watching and said we need to give these boys a fairer go! When he elaborated on his statement he said that most of the boys we were watching needed sustained and regular exposure to stronger competition. In other words schools such as the ones mentioned above needed to play against rugby specialist schools such as those in the GPS and CAS associations on a regular basis. In fact this is what occurs in New Zealand!
To exemplify what I am saying please read the following extract pertaining the ‘POWERHOUSE’ Auckland province. From my understanding it was written in 2007 by John Mackenzie who was commissioned by the English RFU to assess the Australian and New Zealand systems for schoolboy rugby talent identification. The article is titled, ‘Talent Identification in Australia and New Zealand and a Potential Way Forward for Schools’ Rugby Here’. the extract states:
“In the Auckland region of New Zealand the top twelve schools play each other in the A Grade, with twenty four teams involved in the B Grade in a further two pools of twelve teams. There is promotion and relegation at the end of each season, with a mix of State and Independent schools in each league. At the start of the season each school is asked to nominate its top five players to a central database that is co-ordinated by the schools’ development department at Auckland Rugby. After each league fixture the coaches nominate players from the opposition schools who stood out in their fixtures; their names are added to the database. When it comes to the time for selecting Regional sides to play in the Auckland Championships, the coaches effectively decide how many players in each position they want for their squad and then take the ranking players from the database. There are no trials or development days to influence the list of players, as the selected players are taken directly from the information submitted by the respected coaches on a weekly basis. The squads that are finalised play in the Auckland Provincial Championships, with the potential to be selected to represent Auckland in the National Championships Festival against Canterbury, Wellington, etc, from which the All Blacks U18s are selected. This process, again, does not clash with school fixtures in any way, taking place during the half-term holidays.”
What are your thoughts gentlemen? When responding please bear in mind that the above article has neglected to mention that club teams are also included in the abovementioned competitions. Ultimately I find it very intriguing (and enticing) that club and school teams could play in the same competition; playing each other week in, week out; better still having one peak body overseeing the selection of a representative team.
As it stands Auckland provincial rugby is very strong, moreover Sydney is becoming strikingly similar to Auckland (the actual city) with its large and growing Polynesian communities in south-western and western Sydney. In Auckland the same communities are largely in south Auckland (especially in Manukau).
Regards,
Newbie.
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