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NSW AAGPS 2024

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The Cleaner

The Cleaner

Ted Fahey (11)
Maul of Duty said:
I believe that these are all the boys (who are currently in school), that were not eligible to be selected in the Aus. Schools team as this seems to be higher honors.

Well done to all the original boys in the squad and to all the new boys that have now been added in. For the new boys, I think that is testament to hard work throughout the season so far and based on on-field performances week in and week out.
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Did a list of the squad named in March 2024 vs July 2024. Great to see additional players added to the list.
 

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Ted Fahey (11)
Maul of Duty said:
I also believe that in many cases, it is the talented player that make the decision to go to either the GPS or CAS school as they know they will play in a stronger competition week in and week out and it will only benefit their own game. Unfortunately being a standout player in a weaker team/division does not always mean that they can cut it at a higher representative level. I have seen boys been given the shot and they just aren't physically conditioned the same way (physically and mentally) and leads to big disappointment for the player.

I really believe that young players now, really do understand that they need to surround themselves with like minded people and other exceptional players to get the best out of their own game and to keep improving at a greater rate.
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100% Agree with this comment, I know of a kid who moved in 2023 from an ISA school to a GPS school purely to compete at a stronger competition and improve his game. He has improved so much in his game and today he has been named in the U18 development squad. Well done to him.
 
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Mafalda Fuda

Bob McCowan (2)
The Cleaner said:
100% Agree with this comment, I know of a kid who moved in 2023 from an ISA school to a GPS school purely to compete at a stronger competition and improve his game. He has improved so much in his game and today he has been named in the U18 development squad. Well done to him.
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Not sure i agree. Auggies & Oakhill would finish 1 and 2 (no particular order) based on their unblemished records against CAS schools to date. I am not sure if moving to Aloys, Cranbrook or Trinity would provide these boys with greater opportunities as the ISA comp seems to be a lot more balanced than CAS with no 70-80 point plus victories noted. Also there seems to be more player depth in ISA than CAS particulry in the 13-16 age groups with the 2 schools noted above plus Pats and Stannies appearing to have greater lower age group numbers than all CAS schools other than Waverley.
 
CasualObserver

CasualObserver

Sydney Middleton (9)
Mafalda Fuda said:
Not sure i agree. Auggies & Oakhill would finish 1 and 2 (no particular order) based on their unblemished records against CAS schools to date. I am not sure if moving to Aloys, Cranbrook or Trinity would provide these boys with greater opportunities as the ISA comp seems to be a lot more balanced than CAS with no 70-80 point plus victories noted. Also there seems to be more player depth in ISA than CAS particulry in the 13-16 age groups with the 2 schools noted above plus Pats and Stannies appearing to have greater lower age group numbers than all CAS schools other than Waverley.
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The original comment was comparing ISA and GPS, not ISA to CAS
 
sundayeightpm

sundayeightpm

Herbert Moran (7)
jack andrews said:
Signed a big deal over in France.
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Yep - great story...2nd one in the last 2 years. We are seeing more of this...and whilst it is a little confronting, it is a great thing about our game! MLR will also provide another legit pathway for our athletes also. This is what we need to talk about some more. if a young athlete can expand their career to Europe or the US, surely this is a value proposition that is truly unique to Rugby against all other contact sport options in this country (excluding the round ball - which I don't like to talk about anyway).
 
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FastNFurious

Alfred Walker (16)
Running_rugby_1954 said:
Has that enabled the Wallabies and Waratahs to be successful?
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Well there have been boys from that School in every World Cup winning Wallabies team so I guess it hasn’t hurt. Coincidently, the Wallabies decline began when the alternative approach (to development) from others started. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
 
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Frank Nicholson (4)
Soupnasty said:
What problems has this created for other schools or clubs that are greater than the ones they have created for themselves?
If we didn't have these elite competitions - would there be an elite competition at all?

The answer to underperformance isn't to lower the performance of those that are doing it well!

I don't understand why Australian rugby community always wants to point its finger at where we are strong.
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You're right. It is the perception the 'elite' competition/coaching are better maybe they aren't. If young men are drawn to elite schools with the thought it is a better comp.

1. What would you think is missing at junior/colts at club?
2. If end goal is to play for Australia (elite) which pathway would be easier and why? Private school or Club

Soupnasty said:
What problems has this created for other schools or clubs that are greater than the ones they have created for themselves?
If we didn't have these elite competitions - would there be an elite competition at all?

The answer to underperformance isn't to lower the performance of those that are doing it well!

I don't understand why Australian rugby community always wants to point its finger at where we are strong.
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Frank Nicholson (4)
The Cleaner said:
My personal opinion, boys who play in the Tight 5 should not be rushed to play Opens. Some boys that plays front rowers may have the frame of lets say an 18 year old but it does not mean that they are properly conditioned like a 18yr old prop. I don't know the science behind the bones & muscles development but I could imagine there would be a difference between a 16yr old and a 18yr old. Or perhaps I'm wrong. But facts has proven this year that front rowers should not rush to play Opens. 2 of the finest 16 yr old front rowers that we have in NSW are now injured ( Iliyaz Viliamu (LHP), Isaiah Sheck (THP, LHP) from playing in the Opens. Viliamu has not played this year since he injured himself in a scrum in the TKS vs Newington trial game and Sheck who has been phenomenal for Newington also hurt his shoulder in a game against TKS. Both will not return this year and will not play the NSW U16's, their OWN AGE GROUP. I suppose, 'injuries' is all part of the rugby journey and it could happen at any time BUT...There is no need to RUS
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Poor lads, 100% agree with this, duty of care..zero. At club level to play up 2 years need dispensation and testing prior to go ahead.
 
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Frank Nicholson (4)
Maul of Duty said:
I also believe that in many cases, it is the talented player that make the decision to go to either the GPS or CAS school as they know they will play in a stronger competition week in and week out and it will only benefit their own game. Unfortunately being a standout player in a weaker team/division does not always mean that they can cut it at a higher representative level. I have seen boys been given the shot and they just aren't physically conditioned the same way (physically and mentally) and leads to big disappointment for the player.

I really believe that young players now, really do understand that they need to surround themselves with like minded people and other exceptional players to get the best out of their own game and to keep improving at a greater rate.
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Provided the parents can afford it. You can be a very talented club rugby player playing week in week out in a mixed talent team, play rep rugby, but not every kid can just go home and make a decision that his parents are going to send him to a GPS or CAS school. I agree with what you're saying with regards to surrounding yourself with exceptional players, etc.
 
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Stan Wickham (3)
CasualObserver said:
4........ but some of bias for the reps and pathways teams is ridiculous. Why would good kids stay in the sport.

I would have thought there is a close relationship between the size of the player pool and future strength, so rather than excluding, start including.
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One age group in particular this year has been decimated by blatant nepotism with selection into Sydney Regional and Sydney team. The team that ended up wining the State Championships undefeated this year will be lucky to field a team next year. They've all given up because of the bias and favoritism with selections and will be lost to Rugby forever. The game is being decimated at the top end faster than it can be built at the bottom end.
 
sundayeightpm

sundayeightpm

Herbert Moran (7)
OleMan said:
One age group in particular this year has been decimated by blatant nepotism with selection into Sydney Regional and Sydney team. The team that ended up wining the State Championships undefeated this year will be lucky to field a team next year. They've all given up because of the bias and favoritism with selections and will be lost to Rugby forever. The game is being decimated at the top end faster than it can be built at the bottom end.
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Hey mate, if you are talking about the U15 squad - I am hearing ya...head scratching stuff over there.
 
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OleMan

Stan Wickham (3)
Soupnasty said:
I don't understand why Australian rugby community always wants to point its finger at where we are strong.
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I think that's the problem there... It's only strong within it's own bubble. If it was truly strong on a global level then that talent would be filtering through to the Waratahs and Wallabies and they be would be winning. So the solution should be to make it stronger and increase the competition.
 
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