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Melbourne Rebels 2011

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WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
The Storm's crowds certainly have been trending down since the Rebels arrived and not for the lack of winning. This will be a true test of the club's resolve and on exactly how much progress League has actually made in Melbourne. On the many code war threads that appear on the Roar, crowds are often discussed ad nauseum. I keep out of them but these figures somewhat back up what many on the Rugby side of the divide have been saying, The Rebs appear to be cannabalising the Storm's support base.

From all reports this appears to be because of the game day experience of a Rebels match as much the team actually performing well in the debut season. The sought of atmosphere we see at a Rebs home games attracts people to the game and heightens their enjoyment of the game. Good times.
 

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David Codey (61)
only 11'800 turned out for the Melbourne Storm game against Parramatta, it would be great to see the Rebels finish the season with a higher then average crowd then the Melbourne Storm

Why?
It would be great of the rebs can demonstrate that they have a good core of supporters, that consistently attend matches.
but how does crowd numbers for the storm have any impact/relevance to the rebs?
 
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Utility Back

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Why?
It would be great of the rebs can demonstrate that they have a good core of supporters, that consistently attend matches.
but how does crowd numbers for the storm have any impact/relevance to the rebs?

It would be a great Fuck You! to all the annoying leagies who bang on about some bizarre idea that there sport is massive all over australia and the world! and David Gallop.

Not that i actually dislike the game, but the myopic union bashing ones shit me to no end.
 

Dumbledore

Dick Tooth (41)
Did anyone see http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/s...ar-james-oconnor/story-e6frf4qu-1226036760035 ?

More speculation about J'OC, which is interesting enough. But, the really interesting tid bit for me was: "Melbourne Rebels have already snapped up promising centre Mitch Inman from the Force."

I wasn't aware of that, and given that we probably need some more stock in our centres, quite a promising piece of news.

Yep, the Inman thing happened a couple of months ago I think. Phipps-Cipriani-JOC (James O'Connor)-Inman looks seriously classy, however for the good of the Force I hope JOC (James O'Connor) stays where he is.
 

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
Yep, the Inman thing happened a couple of months ago I think. Phipps-Cipriani-JOC (James O'Connor)-Inman looks seriously classy, however for the good of the Force I hope JOC (James O'Connor) stays where he is.

Well, given all the rumors about Cips going home it would be more likely Phipps-JOC (James O'Connor)-Mortlock-Inman, which is nearly as good in many ways and is some serious size in the midfield.
 
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TOCC

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Why?
It would be great of the rebs can demonstrate that they have a good core of supporters, that consistently attend matches.
but how does crowd numbers for the storm have any impact/relevance to the rebs?

Simple, its a competitive marketplace, people can deny it all they want but when it comes to Melbourne, the Rebels and Storm are in direct competition.

The popularity of one team over another in a marketplace like Melbourne will have influence on things like Sponsorship, government support, exposure and last but not least, bragging rights.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
But, the really interesting tid bit for me was: "Melbourne Rebels have already snapped up promising centre Mitch Inman from the Force."

NO WAY!!! HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS!

Mitch is a classy player and being tutored by Morty is exactly where he needs to be. The Wallabies will be thankful in 2-3 years time.

The only issue is I like Mitchell at 13 but I guess it's back to the wing for him.
 
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Travi34

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The only issue is I like Mitchell at 13 but I guess it's back to the wing for him.

Are you crazy? Mitchell's defence in 13 was abysmal at best! Mortlock originally played 12, then wing, then 13, and has played them all as a wallaby, but i prefer him at 13. Mitchell as a winger was ok, but no C. Vuna. Rooney, and Sipa, haven't stepped up (Rooney had a good game starting at 14 against the force I might add, but was an exception to the rule) Kingi has been better than both of them out of position in the back 3.

That all being said.... last week irrespective of jersey numbers, Mitchell, played 11 (in jumper 13) Gerrard played 13 (in jumper 15) and Kingi played 15 (in jumper 11) for the majority of the game. another one of MacQueen's tricks.

The big question is do we want to play 1 or 2 5/8ths? traditionally #12 is inside centre, and is a position where you run straight ball (well should anyway) and make holes, like Carter/Nonu, Cipriani/Mortlock, Carter/SBW, etc. But a lot more teams, especially international teams play #12 as "a second 5/8th" like, QC (Quade Cooper) 10, Gits/Barnes 12, or Cipriani 10, Huxley 12.

There are advantages and disadvantages of both, and the whole backline structure can change as a result. Given the form backline players are, (in no order) Phipps, Cipriani, Mortlock, Kingi, Vuna and Gerrard, MacQueen will look to have a team that works best for those players, and what other player/s can fit in there. Phippriani is locked in at 9/10 as far as i can tell, both have been playing pretty darn good there, and no obvious replacements.

Kingi, a scrumhalf specialist now, is the surprise packet, he used to play 10/12 (1st/2nd 5/8th) recently, and Huxley can as well, if Rod wants to give Kingi a run at 12, then mortlock to 13, and find another winger. otherwise if he wants Kingi at Fullback/wing again, I'd suspect Gerrard would play 13, mortlock 12, making a lethal centres combo, and Kingi, Vuna and one other to make up the outside backs)

The other winger/outside back is the odd one! with my pick on Mitchell, as he looked dangerous there week 2 and 3, and his defensive errors are less obvious. But I wouldn't want him playing majoritly at FullBack...

Below are my preferred options, pending injuries obviously.

9 Phipps
10 Cipriani
11 Vuna
12 Kingi
13 Mortlock
14 Mitchell
15 Gerrard

would be my pick, with the alternative as.

9 Phipps
10 Cipriani
11 Vuna
12 Mortlock
13 Gerrard
14 Mitchell
15 Kingi

or the conservative as

9 Phipps
10 Cipriani
11 Vuna
12 Mortlock
13 Mitchell
14 Kingi
15 Gerrard
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Depends what country you are from when you are referring the 12 as "traditionally being an inside centre". The Kiwis call 12 generally as the "second five eighth" and have a long history of ball playing 12s, it is Australians who call it "inside centre".

Although it is easy to look back at great international teams from both countries and pick 12s who been inside centres for NZ, and 2nd fives for Aus.
 

FiveStarStu

Bill McLean (32)
Simple, its a competitive marketplace, people can deny it all they want but when it comes to Melbourne, the Rebels and Storm are in direct competition.

And don't go easy on each other just because you're brother and sister. I want to see you both fighting for your parents' love!

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!...

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TOCC

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^^ Well no thats not what im suggesting, in fact a campaign by either team to slander the other could be detrimental to the image by polarising fans who are largely transient between the two codes in Victoria.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
^^ Well no thats not what im suggesting, in fact a campaign by either team to slander the other could be detrimental to the image by polarising fans who are largely transient between the two codes in Victoria.

I agree that the people are transient as fans, I know plenty of people who share their spectator time over the Storm and Rebels.

However, of these people the ones who are involved in grass routes sport are only involved in rugby and this is where we will win out over time (in Victoria at least).

Grass Routes league in Victoria is pretty much non-existent and grass routes rugby is on the rise.
 
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Army_Gav

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I agree that the people are transient as fans, I know plenty of people who share their spectator time over the Storm and Rebels.

However, of these people the ones who are involved in grass routes sport are only involved in rugby and this is where we will win out over time (in Victoria at least).

Grass Routes league in Victoria is pretty much non-existent and grass routes rugby is on the rise.
That's pretty much what I gather too. Many people who have been involved with League at the grass roots don't have a positive view of the VRL.

Especially if you look at Wyndham City as an example.
 

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
ehhhh....

I've never been a fan of league. I'd prefer to watch an AFL game, which I think is just part of growing up here. That being said, I figure that other people are going to be different and some are really going to enjoy it. I don't think any of them are mutually exclusive, Rugby tends to be on Friday, League on Monday and AFL in between.

The only problem I have with League is something of a Melbourne phenomenon that one Mr. Freier reported on. If I say "I'm going to watch the Rugby", too often I'll be met with a response like "Oh yeah! Billy Slater's a machine!" and I hang my head slightly. Then again, its something I experienced all through growing up; unless you're in the Rugby community down here, you probably associate "Rugby" with what occasionally came down the telecasts, normally league.

Its a phenomenon caused by AFL more than anything else though. For most Melbournians, the difference between league and 'union' as I have to refer to it is significantly less than the difference between those codes and Aussie Rules. Because Aussie Rules is all they tend to know, they assume anything with running forwards and passing backwards is the same.

If anything, the answer is education. When people know what the differences are, they can either choose between or accept the advantages of each code.
 
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Army_Gav

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ehhhh....

I've never been a fan of league. I'd prefer to watch an AFL game, which I think is just part of growing up here. That being said, I figure that other people are going to be different and some are really going to enjoy it. I don't think any of them are mutually exclusive, Rugby tends to be on Friday, League on Monday and AFL in between.

The only problem I have with League is something of a Melbourne phenomenon that one Mr. Freier reported on. If I say "I'm going to watch the Rugby", too often I'll be met with a response like "Oh yeah! Billy Slater's a machine!" and I hang my head slightly. Then again, its something I experienced all through growing up; unless you're in the Rugby community down here, you probably associate "Rugby" with what occasionally came down the telecasts, normally league.

Its a phenomenon caused by AFL more than anything else though. For most Melbournians, the difference between league and 'union' as I have to refer to it is significantly less than the difference between those codes and Aussie Rules. Because Aussie Rules is all they tend to know, they assume anything with running forwards and passing backwards is the same.

If anything, the answer is education. When people know what the differences are, they can either choose between or accept the advantages of each code.
I love these discussions, explaining the difference. Usually a 15 minute lecture.
 
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Army_Gav

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I just say in rugby they compete for the ball after the tackle and in league they have an NFL style downs system.
Likewise. I use the key word "contest". I'm not a league basher though, each to their own. I can watch it sometimes and I tend to keep an eye on most sports anyway.

Interesting hypothetical, imagine if Rugby started out in Victoria in 98' with League this year? Different landscape I think.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Interesting hypothetical, imagine if Rugby started out in Victoria in 98' with League this year? Different landscape I think.

I don't think Vic rugby was ready for a professional side in 98. The standard in Victoria has been improving every year even before the Rebels were announced, which obviously has sped it up even more.

I think there has always been heaps of rugger fans in Melbourne due to it being an expat heavy city but there was a big detachment between those fans and local grass routes rugby until recently.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Depends what country you are from when you are referring the 12 as "traditionally being an inside centre". The Kiwis call 12 generally as the "second five eighth" and have a long history of ball playing 12s, it is Australians who call it "inside centre".

Although it is easy to look back at great international teams from both countries and pick 12s who been inside centres for NZ, and 2nd fives for Aus.


At one time some teams played "first up", meaning that the first of the two centres who was back into position played nearer the scrum - i.e. the position also known as inside centre.

In league they play left and right centre - I guess that saves the bother of learning to pass both ways.
 
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