LOCKED: Time to Sack Deans?

[Brumbies Guy]

I'd agree with those changes. I had high hopes for Horne, although he doesn't seem to have done much in gold so far. Don't think we would loose anything by starting A Finger with Horne on the pine and seeing how things go.

Could A Finger be a left field option for 13? Robbie had him there for awhile during the Barbarians game

 

[liquor box]

And you are the Barnaby Joyce.

Barnaby played for Central North at Rugby, lets give him a shot!!!

 

[Reddy!]

He won't have much to say to them: "Your a special young man! Go on, play what is in front of you!"

 

[cyclopath]

Barnaby played for Central North at Rugby, lets give him a shot!!!

Well, he does have mongrel, I will give him that.

 

[Ruggo]

deans is responsible for the players - he is the coach. Get that into your head.

Bullshit, the players are responible for the players. The coach is responsible for the tactics. They looked fine until the players lost it.

 

[RedsHappy]

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to 13 where he should be.
Turner and Hynes are the only genuine 15s. While H is injured, T should be there.

+1. IMO, Hynes is the only all-round attacking FB we have at present, and T should at the very minimum be in this squad.

 

[Gnostic]

I think RH the usual suspect will again trot out the excuses for Deans, but any sitting on the fence will now be firmly off it in the changes needed camp.

I return to my OP, if the ARU will not or cannot sack Deans then clear out the rest of the coaching panel and while they are at it remove Nucifora as a selector.

Assuming Deans must for some unknown reason be retained the coaching and selection panel should be:-
1. Deans
2. Foley
3. Mooney

4. Macqueen (Selector) or just go with the three coaches as selectors.

If as I suspect Deans would refuse this he could be given the option to resign and hence no contract pay-out which after this two years of crap he deserves nothing of.

 

[rsea]

+1. IMO, Hynes is the only all-round attacking FB we have at present, and T should at the very minimum be in this squad.

Moving AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to 13? I think he's been shuffled around enough. Find someone else to fill 13 and leave AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) where he is

 

[rsea]

Could A Finger be a left field option for 13? Robbie had him there for awhile during the Barbarians game

I doubt Fanger is the answer to our prayers but I'd sooner have him at 12 than Barnes. I wouldn't move him to 13 due to lack of experience.

 

[RedsHappy]

I think RH the usual suspect will again trot out the excuses for Deans, but any sitting on the fence will now be firmly off it in the changes needed camp.I return to my OP, if the ARU will not or cannot sack Deans then clear out the rest of the coaching panel and while they are at it remove Nucifora as a selector.Assuming Deans must for some unknown reason be retained the coaching and selection panel should be:-
1. Deans
2. Foley
3. Mooney
4. Macqueen (Selector) or just go with the three coaches as selectors. If as I suspect Deans would refuse this he could be given the option to resign and hence no contract pay-out which after this two years of crap he deserves nothing of.

Gnostic, much general agreement from me as to direction required for a proper change process. Tonight was a manifest debacle of inadequate team preparation and skills development and discipline in depth. The Wallaby 'team mind' was, v sadly, again a scrambled egg. Let me advance some thoughts tomorrow (Sunday) to go with yours. Respect your 'hit the issue in the face' approach, as there are so many soft approaches to the issues we must face up to. The Fanboys, as you say, will have, from tonight, 'subtle detections of hidden potential in this Deans' team and the time required to mature inexperienced players as we move to a win in the RWC', this will all be trotted out on Sunday and Monday. And then I see here the other Fanboys' apologising variant: 'it's all the players' fault, don't blame the coaches' coming out of the closet once more (forgetting most tellingly that it's solely the coaches that pick the players, motivate (or not) the players, and tell them how to play each particular game.)

 

[daz]

The Fanboys, as you say, will have, from tonight, 'subtle detections of hidden potential in this Deans' team and the time required to mature inexperienced players as we move to a win in the RWC', this will all be trotted out on Sunday and Monday.

Inexperienced players do take time to mature. I tell you what; you find me 15 players in Australia who can win the 3N, BC and RWC right now, and I'll shut up about Deans being on the right development track. Tell me who else Deans can pick. Seriously. What top shelf, ready to go International Test star is sitting at home waiting for him to call?

Deans has also blooded approx 6000 new Wallabies in 3 years. It's called depth building, something Knuckles and Jones would not recognise if it fell out of their arse.

 

[Langthorne]

Ah yes, like PdV? Brian Ashton? Both those guys took a team to the RWC finals and yet almost no-one will say that had anything to do with the success. Nucifora at the Brumbies? Hmm....player revolt then win the title. Bloody good tactic by David, don't you think? Scrub my career just to motivate my team.

PdV? which team was that?

Brian Ashton took at team to the RWC final and I think he deserves credit for that. In that same world cup the Argentinians went very close to the final too - considering their depth, I think the coach deserves some credit for that.

 

[Thin Thighs]

Hot off the Press from ARU HQ in St Leonards.

JO'N has just announced that Robbie and all assistant coaches will be sacked immediately.

Sonny Hammond has been announced as Head Coach, with Skippy being appointed as Chairman of Selectors and Assistant (Forwards) Coach. Lassie has been appointed as Assistant (Backs) coach.

In announcing this radical move, JO'N stated "If Skippy and Lassie couldn't work out what we needed to do, then we are all screwed. They have a proven track record of solving complex problems."

 

[TheRiddler]

From an outsiders point of view (and lets face it, none of us really have any idea what is going on inside Camp Wallaby), the issue would appear to be one of culture. You would hope by now that these guys can actually play rugby. Most of them would have at least 15 years of experience behind them and would have risen through the ranks because of their ability and skills. So why is it all going to shit on a regular basis?

The Wallabies are an organisation. And any organisation needs a leader. And that leader is responsible for developing the culture of his 'employees'. The CEO, MD etc sets the examples, lays down law, leads from the front, develops the characteristics and personality of his organisation. Whilst JON is obviously the boss of the ARU, the boss of the Wallabies playing outfit is Deans. And therefore, quite rightly, he is being put under close scrutiny. It is up to him and his management team to get these guys fired up, to get them to the stage where they would be prepared to crawl across broken glass if it meant helping out a teammate or securing the ball. Now he may well be trying to do that behind doors but all the public sees is this persistent babbling and crypto talk. Does it inspire? Does it encourage you? Does it make you think that you would like to work for this guy.

There is another thread on the subject of Wallabies Twitter use and I have to agree with the original poster. Judging by what the players are posting, the attitude in Camp Wallaby appears to be very relaxed, very casual. That just simply should not be the case. These guys should be frightened. They should be tense. They should be on the edge. They should be knackered. There was one Tweet during the week, cant remember who from, aimed at the Kiwi players and saying they need to get with the modern age and Twitter up like the Wallabies. Well, just perhaps they are too busy preparing for the match and being professional sportsmen, not wannabe C-list social starlets.

Robbie, clear your heard of all you stupid talk and language and get fired up. I am sure that you are burning and hurting inside. Lets see it. Let the players see it. Get them fired up. Get them mad. Get them angry. Get them passionate. Get them proud to be playing for their country. Get them honored to be wearing the Green n Gold. Get them playing the good, honest, hard rugby they are capable of. And if you cant mange that, then GTF.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

On the other hand, Riddler, when Macqueen was Wallaby coach, there was a similar relaxes attitude in the Wallaby camp. The difference was the skill level and experience of the players in the squad.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Inexperienced players do take time to mature. I tell you what; you find me 15 players in Australia who can win the 3N, BC and RWC right now, and I'll shut up about Deans being on the right development track. Tell me who else Deans can pick. Seriously. What top shelf, ready to go International Test star is sitting at home waiting for him to call?

Deans has also blooded approx 6000 new Wallabies in 3 years. It's called depth building, something Knuckles and Jones would not recognise if it fell out of their arse.

Gotta go wiz Daz here. If there are players sitting on the bench who can do a better job or a better coach who can guide them, let's hear about it. Right at the moment, I am not seeing any solutions to the current predicament. Let's also not forget that we are only two games into the 3N. How the players respond in the coming weeks will say a lot more about where we are headed. I'm not ready to dispense with all of them yet. And that would be assuming that ready made replacements are even there.

One thing is clear, however. The All Blacks are a level above anyone else in the world right now. I give us a chance against the other top-tier nations, just not against these guys at the moment.

 

[chief]

Fucking hell. I look on Google News after typing in Robbie Deans, and I see articles like

Deans: "It could have been worse"
Deans remains defiant

My fucking god, defiant was the spring tour for last year. We got hammered off the park last night thanks to some poor selections, and dare I say it poor coaching.

 

[DPK]

My fucking god, defiant was the spring tour for last year. We got hammered off the park last night thanks to some poor selections, and dare I say it poor coaching.

That wasn't the game I watched last night, because the one I watched featured an immensely talented opposition.

 

[fatprop]

Fucking hell. I look on Google News after typing in Robbie Deans, and I see articles like

Deans: "It could have been worse"
Deans remains defiant

My fucking god, defiant was the spring tour for last year. We got hammered off the park last night thanks to some poor selections, and dare I say it poor coaching.

What is he supposed to do? He can either quit or get on with it.

 

[TheRiddler]

I'm not sure whether Macqueen's style was a relaxed one; apart from winning all the silverware perhaps the most talked about facet of his tenure was his management style. It was deemed to be a open, pragmatic and honest approach that earned the respect of players, staff and observers alike, perhaps demonstrating the point I tried (probably unsuccessfully) to make in my earlier post.