LOCKED: Time to Sack Deans?
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Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
I reserved my judgement after last week's much improved performance.
One step forward two steps back.
To those who firmly believe in Deans, well I hope you like losing. He will win against minnows and out of form teams. Against any real opposition his Wallabies will struggle.
Under his command the Wallabies have gone backwards in the last 18 months. They were in fact a better performing team with a better executed game plan 2 years ago.
The basic skills are lacking, the application of the players is lacking, selection is lacking.
Deans will again return to Super or Club level coaching (or tier 2 country) after the Australian team because I doubt if the NZRU are interested. The Wallabies indeed look like the ABs at the 2003 RWC when they lost to who was it? Who was a coach and selector of the ABs then?
One step forward two steps back.
To those who firmly believe in Deans, well I hope you like losing. He will win against minnows and out of form teams. Against any real opposition his Wallabies will struggle.
Under his command the Wallabies have gone backwards in the last 18 months. They were in fact a better performing team with a better executed game plan 2 years ago.
The basic skills are lacking, the application of the players is lacking, selection is lacking.
Deans will again return to Super or Club level coaching (or tier 2 country) after the Australian team because I doubt if the NZRU are interested. The Wallabies indeed look like the ABs at the 2003 RWC when they lost to who was it? Who was a coach and selector of the ABs then?
TheRiddler
Dave Cowper (27)
Why the fuck when we were losing and were out of the game did the bloody idiot still not use his bench? I am sure that A Finger feels really happy with 3 mins. And Genia didnt exactly have a great night and yet Burgess also only gets to sniff the barmaids apron. And for some really strange reason Hodgson yet again gets splinters in his bum.
Deans, if you have got some master plan, time to come clean. Because, quite frankly, at the moment its a fucking disgrace and you're are a national embarrassment. And dont come out with your cryptic bullshit talk. Tell us what you are trying to do in straight up language. If you cant do that, GTF out of here.
Deans, if you have got some master plan, time to come clean. Because, quite frankly, at the moment its a fucking disgrace and you're are a national embarrassment. And dont come out with your cryptic bullshit talk. Tell us what you are trying to do in straight up language. If you cant do that, GTF out of here.
Scarfman
Knitter of the Scarf
You all know I'm on the sack Deans side. But the Wobs pretty much played the game plan I would have used against the Blacks. Apart from swapping Hodgson for Brown, and starting AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13, and a couple of other small things, I can't fault Deans for tonights performance. The ABs beat us man on man.
TheRiddler
Dave Cowper (27)
Give naff interviews on a wireless mic before the game when perhaps he should be focussed on firing his pack up?
Sandpit Fan
Nev Cottrell (35)
+1
Don't think I have ever seen a game with a series of losses on the restart like that, and not much RD can do about it at the time, the $30 million brains trust on the field should be able to come up with something for themselves for a change...
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
FFS the press conferance is the same old bullshit, about the "little stuff" and the "detail". Well Deans you have had two years to do something about those things. You can blame players not executing all you like but the fact is some dickhead keeps picking those same players who have demostrated time and again they they do not to perform at the highest level.
The bad thing for the Wallabies is that the ABs didn't even play that well.
The bad thing for the Wallabies is that the ABs didn't even play that well.
disco
Chilla Wilson (44)
Spot on.
These are questions I want answers for also, what's with the restarts? When Foley was there we never had this shit.
It's the same blokes making the same mistakes week in week out, surely Barnes has played himself out of a test jersey as for Rob Horne what do we do there? We cant keep moving AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) do we go left field & play Hynes @ 13 or what's the story with Will Chambers.
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
Belae should be 15 above turner, turner should be on the wing with JOC (James O'Connor) on the bench as an impact player. Dont know why we have a fast stepper with a spurt of pace and no height on the wing, we never get it out there anyway, much better in close against a tiring defence.
Reddy!
Bob Davidson (42)
I haven't watched the game yet as I was at the Gabba watching the petty Lions being thrashed by a team in Red.
I am absolutely disgusted by the score but I don't think Deans should be sacked. No. I think the stupid sonuvabitch should resign and go home to filthy NZ where he belongs. He can't get this team up for big matches or at half time, we need an Aussie coach and that is extremely evident. I hope the poor sod retires before his coaching record is further tarnished.
I am absolutely disgusted by the score but I don't think Deans should be sacked. No. I think the stupid sonuvabitch should resign and go home to filthy NZ where he belongs. He can't get this team up for big matches or at half time, we need an Aussie coach and that is extremely evident. I hope the poor sod retires before his coaching record is further tarnished.
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rhyso
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I see this as a possible conflict between his management style and what our current crop of players might (sadly) require to perform at the very highest level.
He is clearly a world class mentor of young talent, but more importantly a great coach of players who do not require micro-management. He is probably shocked that he even needs to spend time coaching the basics, as it would seem obvious to him that players should own the responsibility for their skills, and should want to spend lots of time perfecting themselves in order to wear the jersey. Reading between the lines of some of his statements I think it's clear he wants players to step up without too much direction from him.
He has spent the last couple of years rotating through the playing stocks in an effort to find players who can take charge on their own. I suspect he sees this in Rocky and made him captain largely on that basis.
He was probably chosen as an antidote to Eddie's era of micro-management, which I can imagine Gits and others despised.
I really hope the Deans experiment succeeds, and I still completely support him as coach, but I think he needs J'ON to get some hard bastards into his coaching ranks, to drill the players while he focuses on the bigger picture stuff.
He is clearly a world class mentor of young talent, but more importantly a great coach of players who do not require micro-management. He is probably shocked that he even needs to spend time coaching the basics, as it would seem obvious to him that players should own the responsibility for their skills, and should want to spend lots of time perfecting themselves in order to wear the jersey. Reading between the lines of some of his statements I think it's clear he wants players to step up without too much direction from him.
He has spent the last couple of years rotating through the playing stocks in an effort to find players who can take charge on their own. I suspect he sees this in Rocky and made him captain largely on that basis.
He was probably chosen as an antidote to Eddie's era of micro-management, which I can imagine Gits and others despised.
I really hope the Deans experiment succeeds, and I still completely support him as coach, but I think he needs J'ON to get some hard bastards into his coaching ranks, to drill the players while he focuses on the bigger picture stuff.
Try watching the game then. There were about 13 pea-hearts out there. Rod MacQueen couldn't have changed that.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
No, you are right Macqueen couldn't have changed those players and their tendancies. They just wouldn't have been selected for the past two years.
And who, pray tell, would have been? It's easy to say it's all the coach's fault, but who are the game breakers waiting in the wings? This is the basic flaw in the whole premise that Deans is the whole problem.
I am not happy with Deans in many ways, but I just cannot see the realistic alternatives to either him, or the player issues we face at the moment.
Can you?
JJJ
Vay Wilson (31)
Too autocratic a style and the players sook. Too macro-managerial and they don't make an effort. Buggered if I'd want the job.
I agree though that a good alternative would be to get a couple of drillmaster hard-bastard assistant coaches in. I dunno who they'd be. Maybe a couple of Argies who don't speak any English?
I agree though that a good alternative would be to get a couple of drillmaster hard-bastard assistant coaches in. I dunno who they'd be. Maybe a couple of Argies who don't speak any English?
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