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LOCKED: Time to Sack Deans?

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Ruggo

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
cyclopath said:
And who, pray tell, would have been? It's easy to say it's all the coach's fault, but who are the game breakers waiting in the wings? This is the basic flaw in the whole premise that Deans is the whole problem.
I am not happy with Deans in many ways, but I just cannot see the realistic alternatives to either him, or the player issues we face at the moment.
Can you?
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I agree with that Cyc. Robbie picked a team that got the job done last week. They didn't this week and there are a few positions where we have scope for change. Hodsgon for Brown with Higgers to the bench to begin blooding process. Mitchell gone and Shephered to the wing. Fainga'a remains a center option but we wasted an oppurtunity to see more of him tonight to make better assesment. Simmons in and Mumm to the bench.
 
Sandpit Fan

Sandpit Fan

Nev Cottrell (35)
JJJ said:
Too autocratic a style and the players sook. Too macro-managerial and they don't make an effort. Buggered if I'd want the job.

I agree though that a good alternative would be to get a couple of drillmaster hard-bastard assistant coaches in. I dunno who they'd be. Maybe a couple of Argies who don't speak any English?
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Noriega seemed to drill a bit of spine into the scrum over a 1 week period mate - you might be onto something!!! And those who don't like it can piss off to their overseas gigs, where they can excel as flat track bullies.
 
Reddy!

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
I LOVVVVEEEE THISSSS ARRGUUUMENTTT:

"It's not Robbie Deans fault, it's the players on the field who aren't up to it; sack them!"

If Robbie Deans was a winning coach and this loss was a once off I would agree with you. But he isn't; this is the 8th loss in a row against the All Blacks FFS! At home! After a great win! With a close to full strength team! There is clearly a connection with Deans being the Wallabies coach and the Wallabies performing badly. Since the EOYT in 2009, the Wallabies have lost to the All Blacks, drawn with Ireland, lost to Scotland, lost to England at home, and lost to the All Blacks again at home. What an appalling coaching record. Just as players places in the team shouldn't be guaranteed because of their reputation, neither should the coaches.
 
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Sandpit Fan

Nev Cottrell (35)
Ruggo said:
I agree with that Cyc. Robbie picked a team that got the job done last week. They didn't this week and there are a few positions where we have scope for change. Hodsgon for Brown with Higgers to the bench to begin blooding process. Mitchell gone and Shephered to the wing. Fainga'a remains a center option but we wasted an oppurtunity to see more of him tonight to make better assesment. Simmons in and Mumm to the bench.
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I'd agree with those changes. I had high hopes for Horne, although he doesn't seem to have done much in gold so far. Don't think we would loose anything by starting A Finger with Horne on the pine and seeing how things go.
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Ruggo said:
I agree with that Cyc. Robbie picked a team that got the job done last week. They didn't this week and there are a few positions where we have scope for change. Hodsgon for Brown with Higgers to the bench to begin blooding process. Mitchell gone and Shephered to the wing. Fainga'a remains a center option but we wasted an oppurtunity to see more of him tonight to make better assesment. Simmons in and Mumm to the bench.
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Still defending Deans. There are options. As for getting the job done last week, like I said just papering over the cracks. The Boks are a very out of form team and the FACT is that the Wallabies only managed two tries all with the team that the ABs comprehensively defeated. The writing was on the wall for this capitulation (that I hoped would not happen). Time for people to face the facts and Deans has had two years to do something about the "little things" and "details" he keeps talking about. If the ARU is set on Deans then change the assistants and bring a proven selector such as Macqueen. Nucifora Williams and Deans have shown no matter how poor the results and the performances they will continue to pick the same squad.

I think however if the ARU did this Deans would resign, which may be a blessing.
 
cyclopath

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Reddy! said:
I LOVVVVEEEE THISSSS ARRGUUUMENTTT:

"It's not Robbie Deans fault, it's the players on the field who aren't up to it; sack them!"

If Robbie Deans was a winning coach and this loss was a once off I would agree with you. But he isn't; this is the 8th loss in a row against the All Blacks FFS! At home! After a great win! With a close to full strength team! There is clearly a connection with Deans being the Wallabies coach and the Wallabies performing badly. Since the EOYT in 2009, the Wallabies have lost to the All Blacks, drawn with Ireland, lost to Scotland, lost to England at home, and lost to the All Blacks again at home. What an appalling coaching record. Just as players places in the team shouldn't be guaranteed because of their reputation, neither should the coaches.
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If you can't even be bothered to post anything sensible, having not even watched the game in question, or try to post any sort of sensible alternative to anything, why not do us all a favour and STFU? Who are the mastercoaches we have all missed? How do they make players who have poor skills and attitudes become wonderful? Where are the players who can do all this.
Easy to sit on the side and chip away like a demented parrot, but try something different. I for one have had enough of your drivel.
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Reddy! said:
I LOVVVVEEEE THISSSS ARRGUUUMENTTT:

"It's not Robbie Deans fault, it's the players on the field who aren't up to it; sack them!"

If Robbie Deans was a winning coach and this loss was a once off I would agree with you. But he isn't; this is the 8th loss in a row against the All Blacks FFS! At home! After a great win! With a close to full strength team! There is clearly a connection with Deans being the Wallabies coach and the Wallabies performing badly. Since the EOYT in 2009, the Wallabies have lost to the All Blacks, drawn with Ireland, lost to Scotland, lost to England at home, and lost to the All Blacks again at home. What an appalling coaching record. Just as players places in the team shouldn't be guaranteed because of their reputation, neither should the coaches.
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It is not only the results which have to be considered, but the dire way in which they were, shall we say, achieved. Like I said the standard of play and execution of game plan in the Wallabies has gone backwards in the last two years .
 
Reddy!

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
Deans is the Kevin Rudd of rugby. Talks big ideas and big words but delivers jackshit. He may have even eclipsed Rudd for verbal vomit as well.
 
Ruggo

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Gnostic said:
Still defending Deans. There are options. As for getting the job done last week, like I said just papering over the cracks. The Boks are a very out of form team and the FACT is that the Wallabies only managed two tries all with the team that the ABs comprehensively defeated. The writing was on the wall for this capitulation (that I hoped would not happen). Time for people to face the facts and Deans has had two years to do something about the "little things" and "details" he keeps talking about. If the ARU is set on Deans then change the assistants and bring a proven selector such as Macqueen. Nucifora Williams and Deans have shown no matter how poor the results and the performances they will continue to pick the same squad.

I think however if the ARU did this Deans would resign, which may be a blessing.
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Happy to defend Deans. Happier to blame players for the crap dished up on the field. Even happier not to bitch and moan without sighting an alternative.

I still think Deans is a great coach. He is just not a good babysitter.
 
Sandpit Fan

Sandpit Fan

Nev Cottrell (35)
Gnostic said:
Still defending Deans. There are options.
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For the sake of discussion, who are the options at the moment, if Deans was punted at the end of the 3N? I'm guessing we are talking about coaches who are not currently contracted for the next 12-18 months, so I'm curious who you see as realistic alternatives. And you can't say Link - he has work of national importance to do with the mighty REDS!!
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Ruggo said:
Happy to defend Deans. Happier to blame players for the crap dished up on the field. Even happier not to bitch and moan without sighting an alternative.

I still think Deans is a great coach. He is just not a good babysitter.
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I am happy to blame the fools who keeps picking the same players to fail like the last 7 times. Whilst the title implies I blame Deans wholely and solely the OP indicates that the whole coaching and selection group is to blame. Deans is a proven great Super level coach. He is a failure, twice, at international level.
 
barbarian

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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No Reddy I am getting sick of this. We all know what you think of Deans. We get it. But you are still dishing out pointless anti-Deans one-liners and generally clogging the thread with baseless vitriol.

If you are going to say something, engage in the debate.
 
Reddy!

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
barbarian said:
No Reddy I am getting sick of this. We all know what you think of Deans. We get it. But you are still dishing out pointless anti-Deans one-liners and generally clogging the thread with baseless vitriol.

If you are going to say something, engage in the debate.
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Thanks for engaging in the debate ;)
 
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