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LOCKED: Time to Sack Deans?
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He should be blaming people, and a lot of them. The ref, the players and he should be wielding the axe.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
My prediction of 1 test win in the 3N this, made after the debacle match against Fiji, appears to be coming to fruition. The manner of play the the Wallabies showed in that game set the tone for what has followed. There has been no real change in any game except for the lift in intensity in the Boks game.
I saw the Brisbane game as the only winnable game for the Wallabies given the state of their play, given the fact that the Boks would be coming off two very hard games in NZ.
Given next week is the Wallabies third 3N game in three weeks and they play in NZ there is no chance what so ever of a Wallabies win.
I have now in the cold light of day reviewed what I said in the heat of the loss last night and do not retract one word of it. Deans if he is retained as head coach must have a new set of assistants to change the manner of play in this team. If this is not done Deans will have a sub 50% winning percentage without even the grace of playing decent Rugby.
After more than 30 years as a Wallaby supporter and religiously watching every single game they play finding myself ambivalent to the next game. So much for building Rugby in Oz when long term rabid Rugby people are losing interest because the play is so dire and there is no prospect of change.
I saw the Brisbane game as the only winnable game for the Wallabies given the state of their play, given the fact that the Boks would be coming off two very hard games in NZ.
Given next week is the Wallabies third 3N game in three weeks and they play in NZ there is no chance what so ever of a Wallabies win.
I have now in the cold light of day reviewed what I said in the heat of the loss last night and do not retract one word of it. Deans if he is retained as head coach must have a new set of assistants to change the manner of play in this team. If this is not done Deans will have a sub 50% winning percentage without even the grace of playing decent Rugby.
After more than 30 years as a Wallaby supporter and religiously watching every single game they play finding myself ambivalent to the next game. So much for building Rugby in Oz when long term rabid Rugby people are losing interest because the play is so dire and there is no prospect of change.
Thin Thighs
Ted Fahey (11)
Bloody hell. I think some of us still need some more time to recover from the disappointment of our misplaced hope that there was some glimmer of chance of a Wallaby victory last night.
We were touched up good and proper last night by the undisputed #1 team in the world.
The sun still came up this morning, and it is the end of the alcohol free month of Dry July, so there is plenty to look forward to.
If our performance against similar or lesser ranked teams drops consistently then we should be looking for some new brooms in ARU land.
We were touched up good and proper last night by the undisputed #1 team in the world.
The sun still came up this morning, and it is the end of the alcohol free month of Dry July, so there is plenty to look forward to.
If our performance against similar or lesser ranked teams drops consistently then we should be looking for some new brooms in ARU land.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I base my comments on Macqueens book, where he described the atmosphere he tried to create in camp and that he wasn't given to fire and brimstone or tyrannical outbursts.
TheRiddler
Dave Cowper (27)
That's what makes true leaders such a rare and precious commodity. They can earn respect and build a can-do culture without reverting to the fear tactics.
Just heard JON on Insiders and he admitted that the Wallabies are now in a worse place than a year ago. He also implied that beating the All Blacks was part of the KPIs - so there's one measure not met. He also mentioned that no doubt the dogs would be barking after last nights performance.
Woof Woof!!
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Yep, as I look out my window this morning, it's a beautiful day. Gonna get outside and make the most of it and forget about all the doom and gloom. We aren't good enough to beat the All Blacks right now, but we're in good company -- nobody else can either. If we can go over to South Africa and win there, then there'll be no panic from me.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Need you be reminded of the last 18 months. 2009 3N standard of play gradually declined tournament with only one victory and terrible play in a terrible series. EOYT - Scrappy poor win over England at Twickers. Draw against poor Ireland, Loss to Scotland. One good game on tour against Wales. The play in all those games bar Wales was poor. If they played well the results could be accepted, but they did not.
Fiji, England (2) Ireland again this year. One good game (England 1) in the series and the play was again poor in the rest.
3N 2010 - one average win against a tired, old and poorly coached Bok team where they could only manage a 2tries all victory. Return to normal against the ABs, poor play and execution and if the ABs had played with anywhere near the intensity they showed against the Boks they would have rackesd up 60 or 70 points. Fact is they went to sleep in the second half and only switched on to defend their try line.
Reddy!
Bob Davidson (42)
Agreed Gnostic, it seems the bar keeps being lowered.
I remember when Deans was first hired, JON made the point that his first aims were to get some trophy's back in the cabinet, namely the Bledisloe and Tri-Nations. After 3 years now this has not been achieved and does not look like being achieved this season.
I remember when Deans was first hired, JON made the point that his first aims were to get some trophy's back in the cabinet, namely the Bledisloe and Tri-Nations. After 3 years now this has not been achieved and does not look like being achieved this season.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Notice on another thread that JON is reported to have said that beating the ABs was a KPI for Deans. The bar was lowered to that from winning some trophies. The Bled and 3N is over this year so no trophies. IMO what chance of winning in NZ or at altitude in Bok land? Zero to 10% with this squad, chance of this team playing decent rugby regardless of result 0 to 15% and that is the statistic that should see major changes to the coaching staff.
Thin Thighs
Ted Fahey (11)
I guess I put the miserable performance on EOYT 2009 down to injuries and blooding newbies. Guess the old excuse of "who really cares about performance on EOYT, the only show in town is the 3N" flies out the window when we have NO chance of winning that as well.
We are not alone in the injury stakes. Every nation has key players out, so that is really not a valid excuse.
The issue must be depth and development.
Our young'uns made it to the Junior RWC final this year and previous young'uns have been performing reasonably well for recent times, yet we still have a problem with depth. I applaud the courage of the ARU setting up a fifth franchise in Melbourne, but looking at the quality and quantity of cattle, I think ARU have created a Bridge Too Far. Would desperately want to be proven wrong on this one, but who wants the Rebels to become the S15 equivalent of the S14 Lions (Deadset easybeats).
It must come down to the grass roots development and getting the overall pathway right from Under 6's walla rugby right through the village club system and schools to Colts and Grade. I spend a bit of time with the grass roots, and the ARU seem to pay my sort of grass roots about as much attention as they paid to the roots of the grass at Eithad last night.
It is all very well and good for JON and his court of pony tail wearing marketing sycophants to schmooze the big end of town for the $ needed to run the game, but knee jerk of sack the Deans, Deans offsiders, and most of the current Wobs will not solve our problems.
A comprehensive review of all aspects of the entire spectrum of the Rugby Brand is needed.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
J'ON was on record immediately post the Ireland game that he/ARU were targeting Tris silverware this year for sure, and, as I recall it (without my notes right now), mentioned another target this year of a 70+% w-l ratio for the Wallabies. That was all of about a month ago.
Thin Thighs
Ted Fahey (11)
Down our way in Olde Sydney Town last weekend in the GPS 1st grade comp, Joeys (once proud rugby powerhouse, but currently written off by most except the most one eyed Joeys supporters) took on the pride of The Kings School (Current rugby superpower with a stack of Aust Schoolboys and NSW I and II rep players in their squad).
The full match report is elsewhere, and I do not want to debate the merits of schoolboy selections and why Joeys was robbed and How John Papahatzis has apparently single handedly destroyed NSW rugby because of what he may or may not have done with the NSW I and II teams.
Everyone but the most passionate Joeys boys had written them off in the 1st XV encounter against Kings.
By now, if you didn't already know the result, you should be able to guess the result. Yes the written off underdog, Joeys won. Not a convincing victory, not a victory by a large margin, but a victory against all odds none the less.
I would recommend that RD take the Wallabies into Camp in Hunters Hill for a Week in prep for Bledisloe 2, and put his expensive bunch of pretty boy Rugby showponies up in the Joeys boarding house, eat their food, drink their drinks, and get a dose of their never give up culture. If the Joeys 1sts can, then our little engine can, too.
The boys and the rugby masters at Joeys could deliver some die hard non-politically correct sound bite psychobabble grass roots attitude that the Men in Gold desperately need.
The Wob's can also front up in the queue in the dining hall to the Year 7's and Year 8's who worship the Wallabies and explain why they capitulated so easily last night. Jam Twitter up your Twit. That would be social networking for you.
The full match report is elsewhere, and I do not want to debate the merits of schoolboy selections and why Joeys was robbed and How John Papahatzis has apparently single handedly destroyed NSW rugby because of what he may or may not have done with the NSW I and II teams.
Everyone but the most passionate Joeys boys had written them off in the 1st XV encounter against Kings.
By now, if you didn't already know the result, you should be able to guess the result. Yes the written off underdog, Joeys won. Not a convincing victory, not a victory by a large margin, but a victory against all odds none the less.
I would recommend that RD take the Wallabies into Camp in Hunters Hill for a Week in prep for Bledisloe 2, and put his expensive bunch of pretty boy Rugby showponies up in the Joeys boarding house, eat their food, drink their drinks, and get a dose of their never give up culture. If the Joeys 1sts can, then our little engine can, too.
The boys and the rugby masters at Joeys could deliver some die hard non-politically correct sound bite psychobabble grass roots attitude that the Men in Gold desperately need.
The Wob's can also front up in the queue in the dining hall to the Year 7's and Year 8's who worship the Wallabies and explain why they capitulated so easily last night. Jam Twitter up your Twit. That would be social networking for you.
Reddy!
Bob Davidson (42)
Is it really that we don't have enough depth? Is that really the problem you think?
Robbie Deans has been developing depth since day 1 of his coaching job. Every season we are told about how much depth is being built, and that there is a squad mentality within the Wallabies camp; everyone is capable of starting. I keep hearing from supporters about how much depth we have now at prop and in the backs and in the backrow. This year in the Super 14 we had one Australian team in the finals and two teams directly outside the top 4; none of the Australian teams came last for a change. To me this suggests there is depth and I recall alot of Robbie Deans supporters putting this down to Robbie Deans blooding players into the Wallaby system.
Robbie Deans has had more depth to work with than the coaches before him. Wallaby teams of the past changed little from year to year, which suggest a lack of alternatives during that time - this is certainly evident with Baxters and Dunnings extended careers and Gregan becoming the most capped player of all time. But these teams were, more often than not, winning teams. Furthermore, Deans would have benefitted from the ARC that ran in 2007, the year before he was appointed coach.
To me, arguing that there is no depth is overlooking what Robbie Deans has aimed to achieve these past 3 years, and contradictory to why supporters of Robbie Deans...well...support him.
Robbie Deans has been developing depth since day 1 of his coaching job. Every season we are told about how much depth is being built, and that there is a squad mentality within the Wallabies camp; everyone is capable of starting. I keep hearing from supporters about how much depth we have now at prop and in the backs and in the backrow. This year in the Super 14 we had one Australian team in the finals and two teams directly outside the top 4; none of the Australian teams came last for a change. To me this suggests there is depth and I recall alot of Robbie Deans supporters putting this down to Robbie Deans blooding players into the Wallaby system.
Robbie Deans has had more depth to work with than the coaches before him. Wallaby teams of the past changed little from year to year, which suggest a lack of alternatives during that time - this is certainly evident with Baxters and Dunnings extended careers and Gregan becoming the most capped player of all time. But these teams were, more often than not, winning teams. Furthermore, Deans would have benefitted from the ARC that ran in 2007, the year before he was appointed coach.
To me, arguing that there is no depth is overlooking what Robbie Deans has aimed to achieve these past 3 years, and contradictory to why supporters of Robbie Deans...well...support him.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Hence my arguments about Deans' poor selection. The 3N squad was selected with two crocked wingers Hynes and Ioane both of whom are now ruled out. No other options were looked at.
There are options as well. Turner, Mcabe, Cummins, Stanniforth just to name four. There are similar options elsewhere. After a poorly performed EOYT test series essentially the same squad was named with injured players missing. After a poorly performed June series the same squad was again picked with some returning injured players.
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