LOCKED: Time to Sack Deans?

[RugbyReg]

the marker for me is to win an away test in the Tri-Nations. we didn't sell our soul to hire Deans to be average. If we win 50%, all home tests, that's average. We need to win away. We did it once last year (I think it was last year or was it the year before? In SAF?). We need to do it again this year.

 

[Ruggo]

Win every test. Approach each test one by one on its own merrits. Same as I said for the Reds this year.

We are one from one in this tri nations. This goal is deffinatly achievable.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

the marker for me is to win an away test in the Tri-Nations. we didn't sell our soul to hire Deans to be average. If we win 50%, all home tests, that's average. We need to win away. We did it once last year (I think it was last year or was it the year before? In SAF?). We need to do it again this year.

I agree that we need to win away to be taken seriously. If you want to win the 3N, you basically have to get points away from home. Our great teams of yore have done it. I'd say we'll be battling to beat the AB's away, but might burgle one against the Boks if their present form continues.

 

[fatprop]

I still don't see a coach that is clearly better than Deans. The sun currently shines out of Link's arse, but for the last few years he had plenty of critics.

 

[Scotty]

the marker for me is to win an away test in the Tri-Nations. we didn't sell our soul to hire Deans to be average. If we win 50%, all home tests, that's average. We need to win away. We did it once last year (I think it was last year or was it the year before? In SAF?). We need to do it again this year.

I should qualify that is my pass mark. Minimum expected achievement and anything below that is a fail.

Now if they want a distinction from me it would have to be a 3N win. If they want a high distinction it will be 3N and Sloe wins.

 

[Scotty]

And Noddy, I think the away win was the year before last in SA.

We went within a few points in a few other games last year, but didn't get over the line.

 

[DPK]

And Noddy, I think the away win was the year before last in SA.

We went within a few points in a few other games last year, but didn't get over the line.

Yeah it was in SA, but we got smashed the following week.

2008 Australia 27-15 Durban
2008 South Africa 53-8 Johannesburg

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I still don't see a coach that is clearly better than Deans. The sun currently shines out of Link's arse, but for the last few years he had plenty of critics.

That's my view also. Link might have been a good choice instead of Deans, but he wasn't available at the time. Other than him, would anyone have any of the S14 coaches? I doubt it.

 

[Ruggo]

Judge Deans come the end of the tri nations. The proof is still in the pudding so to speak.

 

[RedsHappy]

I should qualify that is my pass mark. Minimum expected achievement and anything below that is a fail. Now if they want a distinction from me it would have to be a 3N win. If they want a high distinction it will be 3N and Sloe wins.

Guys, a sincere thanks for putting some hard markers down. But Scotty and RugbyReg, I am a tad confused re yours, for a pass for RD: are you saying 1 away win only in the 3N is a bare pass for RD (i.e. 5 losses elsewhere), or 1 win away plus 2 more wins (anywhere) is the pass?

(As you may have seen, mine for a 3N pass is 1 away win and 2 other wins.)

 

[RedsHappy]

I still don't see a coach that is clearly better than Deans. The sun currently shines out of Link's arse, but for the last few years he had plenty of critics.

Hmmm. Just for example. What about G Henry post RWC. Not inconceivable at all, he may look his years but he's got huge skills and is very driven and mentally agile still. Or any of the AB Assistant Coaches post RWC? Wouldn't be available this October though. And what about Michael Cheika, ready enough?, good enough? Jake White on paper could be an interesting candidate (with EJ (Eddie Jones) as assistant?), but he's rusted on SA, don't think he'd leave that country esp as he's said he'd like his old job back in SA post RWC (and he might get it back beforehand). I personally like Marc Lièvremont, he's done some fine work with France this year, though maybe too risky for Wallabies?

If no one likes Link for the job (assuming RD keeps it into 2011), we had better put some thinking caps on for 2011, as it's likely RD will leave the Wallabies after the RWC, even with a win there.

I'll certainly nail my flag to the mast re Williams and Graham. They have not proven suitable promotion candidates to Head Coach.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Michael Cheika or Alan Gaffney would be two post Deans choices that could do OK.

 

[Crow]

I like Cheika, but I'd think Gaffney's getting on a bit. I think that there's a bit of an attitude issue in some of our teams, so a coach who can deliver on that would be my pick. Don't know who that would be though. Certainly not Friend.

 

[daz]

This is a bit of premature speculation fellas. (Intentional play on words, ha bloody ha). Why torture yourselves on what-if's and maybe's? Anything is possible 18 months from now. Link may have a dismal S15 season, likewise Cheika in Europe.

Deans is here until after the RWC. End. Of. Story.

 

[Scorz]

Not if he quits or gets sacked.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

This is a bit of premature speculation fellas. (Intentional play on words, ha bloody ha). Why torture yourselves on what-if's and maybe's? Anything is possible 18 months from now. Link may have a dismal S15 season, likewise Cheika in Europe.

Deans is here until after the RWC. End. Of. Story.

No torture here, more thinking about the Wallabies post Deans. Does anyone think he'll be Wallaby coach post RWC 20011, regardless of results?

 

[Ruggo]

No torture here, more thinking about the Wallabies post Deans. Does anyone think he'll be Wallaby coach post RWC 20011, regardless of results?

Could be Deans. Nothing to say he will not negotiate to sign on.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Oh absolutely, but the impression I've always had was that it was a one shot deal and out. Could be wrong, it happens often enough.

 

[daz]

No torture here, more thinking about the Wallabies post Deans. Does anyone think he'll be Wallaby coach post RWC 20011, regardless of results?

Depends on what pass mark the ARU have set for the RWC, 3N and other tangibles such as development, structure, cultural fit, etc, etc.

I would make a fairly confident guess that if Deans wins the RWC, and/or meets those KPI's, like any employee he will be subjected to a performance review. If it is demonstrated that he is showing positive and forward movement, and the environment he works in still fits the ARU need, he will probably be asked to stay on.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Depends on what pass mark the ARU have set for the RWC, 3N and other tangibles such as development, structure, cultural fit, etc, etc.

I would make a fairly confident guess that if Deans wins the RWC, and/or meets those KPI's, like any employee he will be subjected to a performance review. If it is demonstrated that he is showing positive and forward movement, and the environment he works in still fits the ARU need, he will probably be asked to stay on.

I've always made the assumption that it would be Deans who would decide when he walks away, unless some catastrophic results occur.