Israel Folau can send this thread to hell and no others

[KOB1987]

Hell isnt mentioned in the bible once. What are you even talking about?

Of course it is derogatory. And by 'crew' i assume you mean most of the country.

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In the King James Bible, the Old Testament term Sheol is translated as "Hell" 31 times, and as "the grave" 31 times. ... Modern translations typically render Sheol as "the grave", "the pit", or "death". Abaddon. The Hebrew word abaddon, meaning "destruction", is sometimes interpreted as a synonym of "Hell".



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[cyclopath]

I name this thread Sheol.

 

[barbarian]

The risk is that he tells RA to go fuck themselves and heads off to France with his new bride and eclipses the Barrett and Carter contracts.

And this is the unknown factor - contract negotiations are currently underway. Both sides have plenty to lose.
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[SouthernX]

Hell isnt mentioned in the bible once. What are you even talking about?

Of course it is derogatory. And by 'crew' i assume you mean most of the country.

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Most of the country was civilised about the gay marriage vote. plenty of religious people voted yes. But that doesn't mean they stopped believing the gospel of god.

What 2 people do under their own roof or out in public is their own business. Doesn't stop someone believing in their god and what is written in their bible.

I'm just arguing the fact you cannot take someones belief from them.

 

[Braveheart81]

I'm just arguing the fact you cannot take someones belief from them.

No, no one is arguing that.

We're saying that his actions aren't without potential consequences both for him personally and his employer.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Hell - most unlikely fairy tale on these threads since someone suggested the Wallabies might beat the ABs/.

 

[Braveheart81]

 

[Wilson]

If you separate out the specific issues this is probably about on par with pocock chaining himself to that digger a while back, any sanctions should probably be in the neighborhood of what he got then.

The ongoing contract negotiations complicate things though

 

[SouthernX]

Well I for one hope it's an public apology and nothing else.

If sponsors like ASICS/QANTAS succumb to the angry mob mentality and pull their RU sponsorship then this Rugby fan will be wearing New Balance runners on my Greyhound bus adventures.

 

[Slim 293]

If you separate out the specific issues this is probably about on par with pocock chaining himself to that digger a while back, any sanctions should probably be in the neighborhood of what he got then.

It really isn’t.........

Vilifying a large group of the population based on their sexuality is not the same as an environmental protest............

 

[Wilson]

It really isn’t...

Vilifying a large group of the population based on their sexuality is not the same as an environmental protest....

I don't agree with what he's done, but with regard to code of conduct I believe they line up, particularly in the response available to RA, given this is a first offence. Any future issues should be dealt with quite harshly.

Personally I wouldn't mind at all if RA decided not to renew or to significantly reduce his Australian top up in the contract negotiations. I'm quite happy with them taking a strong stance there, where they have a bit more freedom to move.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Castle & Hore to talk with Folau:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/i...folau-about-his-hell-comment-about-gay-people

I sense an apology in the offing.....

 

[Braveheart81]

Personally I wouldn't mind at all if RA decided not to renew or to significantly reduce his Australian top up in the contract negotiations. I'm quite happy with them taking a strong stance there, where they have a bit more freedom to move.

I don't think this is really an option available to RA. He's not going to stay for substantially less money.

RA is stuck between a rock and a hard place in that they have to castigate him but are also desperate to re-sign him.

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[Wilson]

I don't think this is really an option available to RA. He's not going to stay for substantially less money.

RA is stuck between a rock and a hard place in that they have to castigate him but are also desperate to re-sign him.

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If they did he'd almost certainly be gone, that's where the "strong stance" comes in.

But that is strictly my personal opinion and not something I expect them to do.

 

[dillyboy]

I name this thread Sheol.
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Isn't that a Sarlacc???

 

[The torpedo]

I name this thread Sheol.
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So we will all find a new definition of pain and suffering as we are slowly digested by this thread for 1000 years?

 

[The torpedo]

I don't agree with what he's done, but with regard to code of conduct I believe they line up, particularly in the response available to RA, given this is a first offence. Any future issues should be dealt with quite harshly.

Personally I wouldn't mind at all if RA decided not to renew or to significantly reduce his Australian top up in the contract negotiations. I'm quite happy with them taking a strong stance there, where they have a bit more freedom to move.

This could also lead to a discrimination claim (and inevitably drivel being spewed by the Ray Hadleys, Miranda Devines, Lyle Sheltons and Andrew Bolts of this world)

 

[cyclopath]

Isn't that a Sarlacc???

Indeed. A pit. The grave. Death. Taking poetic licence, I was.
Plus, I couldn't find a suitable image from Thomas Covenant (esoteric nerd alert).

 

[Derpus]

If you separate out the specific issues this is probably about on par with pocock chaining himself to that digger a while back, any sanctions should probably be in the neighborhood of what he got then.

The ongoing contract negotiations complicate things though

Righto. I mean, setting aside my misgivings about the entire idea of 'offense' and being offended. Clearly not that many people will be overly offended by poey. Izzy tho has offended a very large group of people currently in the midst of a struggle to gain recognition.

 

[TOCC]

Well I for one hope it's an public apology and nothing else.

If sponsors like ASICS/QANTAS succumb to the angry mob mentality and pull their RU sponsorship then this Rugby fan will be wearing New Balance runners on my Greyhound bus adventures.

Alan Joyce is a patron of LGBTI inclusion polices, he wont be succumbing to mob mentality as you put it:

“We have a very diverse environment and a very inclusive culture,” Mr Joyce said. “And we need to show that as a brand and who we represent. We’re big sponsors of Mardi Gras; we’re big sponsors of marriage equality, Male Champions of Change and the Indigenous Reconciliation Action Plan. We live that, we breathe that, we know it makes a big difference and that is one of the things that helped me though.”