Israel Folau can send this thread to hell and no others

[hammertimethere]

Expressing it on Twitter was a fucking stupid thing to do. Now RA has to react to it due to the media blow up and probably go to loggerheads with Izzy about it to some level...at a time when he is coming off contract and looking to re-negotiate.

Fuck

 

[Omar Comin']

Okay you are not a believer. I am a member of a mainsteam Christian church, and I can assure you that this sort of hateful remark is not "mainstream". All the mainstream religions accept the notion of redemption, and anybody who actually takes the time to read and understand exactly what Jesus said and did would not say anything like this.

I'm not saying it's a majority view, especially among modern day Christians in the western world (it was close to a universal view for many centuries though). Perhaps mainstream was the wrong word, particularly in an Australian context, but the belief that homosexuality is sinful, and that gays are going to hell is still believed by many millions of people in the world. That's all I meant. I'm glad we agree it's a stupid view.

But I'm not sure why you bring up redemption. Even Folau said people can repent. What offends people is the idea that homosexuality is something that requires redemption.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Popcorn

 

[KOB1987]

Can someone PM when this thread gets back on track please


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[Brumby Runner]

Can someone PM when this thread gets back on track please


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Talking of PMs. Our illustrious leader seems to be awfully quiet on this particular issue. Can't back one side without putting the other offside I suppose.

 

[fatprop]

What if Higgers were a neo-nazi, would you defend his right to express his anti-semantic opinion? Or what if Hooper suddenly started writing comments on social media that black people shouldn’t be offered the same opportunities as whites?

Yes, I would.

The right to free speech is something I hold dear and that requires me to stand up for the right of an individual to express ideas that I detest as well as those I agree with.

I also believe any valid inclusion policy must include the right to freedom of religion (despite being an atheist) and there will be contradictions between all those agendas, people will be offended.

 

[jollyswagman]

There is a very fine line between free speech and hate speech, both are held in very different regard by modern societies around the world. The finer points of both don't need to be debated in this forum agreed but as an Australian rugby fan, I don't approve of one of our highest profile stars putting crap like that out there.

 

[Braveheart81]

For all your discussion of Folau's stupid comments.

 

[Derpus]

Yes, I would.

The right to free speech is something I hold dear and that requires me to stand up for the right of an individual to express ideas that I detest as well as those I agree with.

I also believe any valid inclusion policy must include the right to freedom of religion (despite being an atheist) and there will be contradictions between all those agendas, people will be offended.

A right we don't have.

This is stupid. Israel is stupid for having said it, people are stupid for giving a shit and we are stupid for arguing about it.

 

[Derpus]

There is a very fine line between free speech and hate speech, both are held in very different regard by modern societies around the world. The finer points of both don't need to be debated in this forum agreed but as an Australian rugby fan, I don't approve of one of our highest profile stars putting crap like that out there.

In Australia, you have to be attempting to incite violence for it to be some form of illegal speech. A neo-nazi calling for the death of all Jews or whatever.

Saying gays go to hell is not even close.

 

[James Pettifer]

Sigh ... why on earth would you make that sort of comment on the internet. Just don't answer the question ...

 

[Strewthcobber]

Lots of people missing the point in the other thread. This isn't a "Freedom of Speech" issue.

This is an employee publishing comments that contradict his contract, and the policies of his employer's organisation, while representing that organisation (his profile is full of Wallaby logos)

He can make those comments if he chooses, and he won't face any issues from the government, but he must also accept that there is a consequence for breaching the agreements he has made with Rugby Australia and for which he is very generously compensated.

 

[Braveheart81]

^ that absolutely nails it.

 

[cyclopath]

Helloooooooooo!
All posts on Folau's musings have been moved to this thread.
Have at it.
Leave the other one to talk about rugby.

 

[Derpus]

Lots of people missing the point in the other thread. This isn't a "Freedom of Speech" issue.

This is an employee publishing comments that contradict his contract, and the policies of his employer's organisation, while representing that organisation (his profile is full of Wallaby logos)

He can make those comments if he chooses, and he won't face any issues from the government, but he must also accept that there is a consequence for breaching the agreements he has made with Rugby Australia and for which he is very generously compensated.

So what do, sack him?

 

[Strewthcobber]

So what do, sack him?

Fine him a nominal amount, tell him to apologise and everyone moves on?

 

[Derpus]

Sounds reasonable. Doubt he'll apologize though.

On another note, how fucking shite is twitter. Giving muppets a voice.

 

[Braveheart81]

So what do, sack him?

Send him to diversity training.

 

[cyclopath]

Sounds reasonable. Doubt he'll apologize though.

On another note, how fucking shite is twitter. Giving muppets a voice.

Muppets have always had a voice. Now they all potentially have an audience.
If only Israel's God didn't create social media.

 

[Derpus]

Send him to diversity training.

Is that like when you get sent to driving school after losing your license?